Welp, the reason why really didn't touch up on the book yet is because eventually i will take classes in it. Right now im getting all my pre reqs out of the way. Which is all i really have time to study for now. The reason why is used the Key_Press() event, is because i saw a code that called that function everytime the timers interval hit "1"...so basically it called the key_press event, when keys aren't pushed.....and in the key_press event i have the constant of the keys, hopefully being able to msg me when any of those keys(constants) where pressed. And nope I don't get offended, i was just trying to conjure and alternative to the other code that does work since when i try to recorde keystrokes vb3, doesnt support "user32" and gets all messed up doesn't work....anyways thanks for the input!!!