Jesus4u Thread...

**jesus4u** · Nov 2nd, 2001, 08:33 AM

In response to the moderator's request and to preserve some sort of relationship with you guys, I will post all my daily Bible verses and comments about Jesus Christ into this thread only. I may from time to time make comments about God in other threads but to calm everyones' fears that I might brainwash some, I will post in this thread.

Here we go:

The WAY of Salvation:

Romans 5:1-2

Therefore, since we are justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ. Through him we have obtained access to this grace in which we stand, and we rejoice in our hope of sharing the glory of God.

**Bonker Gudd** · Nov 2nd, 2001, 08:39 AM

*thunder*

Yes, Jesus is Lord!

**tom ings** · Nov 2nd, 2001, 08:44 AM

aren't you offending jesus by having a lower case "J" in your user name?

**Gaffer** · Nov 2nd, 2001, 08:45 AM

I feel this is an amicable solution.

But I aslo feel that you need another dimension to your life j4u. all this Jesus talk could begin to pigeonhole you

**beachbum** · Nov 2nd, 2001, 08:45 AM

Originally posted by jesus4u
In response to the moderator's request

More proof that the moderator's are indeed gods

**MontyPython4U** · Nov 2nd, 2001, 08:48 AM

Originally posted by tom ings
aren't you offending jesus by having a lower case "J" in your user name?

I bet he says 'no'- on the contrary he's humbling himself, whereas if he used a J he'd be putting himself on BigJ's level.

**tom ings** · Nov 2nd, 2001, 08:49 AM

yeah, probably

**beachbum** · Nov 2nd, 2001, 08:50 AM

Monty, how did u get 1 post???? He's not the messiah, he's just a very keen programmer

**MontyPython4U** · Nov 2nd, 2001, 08:53 AM

Originally posted by beachbum
Monty, how did u get 1 post????

I accidentally posted in a real forum while I was logged an MP4U.

**CiberTHuG** · Nov 2nd, 2001, 09:43 AM

Okay, I'm reposting my rant because I want a reply, J4U.

Wow... he created me just so I would love him. And now he is going to threaten me? Only by loving him will he give me eternal salvation?

Damn, what a selfish, egotistical, arrogant ***** your god must be. To think that just because he has the power to create life, that he is entitled to enslave his creation.

I hope you are wrong about this god. If you are right, then Heaven is a mindless torture, worse than Hell, full of drooling zealots who worships a jealous vainity.

Makes me sympathize with Lucifer. If what you say is true, then I would go on an Authurian crusade, a vigilant fight against the establishment's "Might makes Right" attitude. If what you say is true, then count me as an loyal member of Lucifer's Legion, seeking to do nothing more than free man from such a vengeful wraith. I'll take up arms right now and stand vigil at the valley of Armegeddon, waiting to destroy you and your god.

So, does this divine creator of yours really think that he is a kind and loving god? Does he really think that we should love him of our own free will when he threatens to damn us? I understand that right and wrong are subjective, but doesn't it seem he is going against his own preachings of what is right?

**SurfDemon** · Nov 2nd, 2001, 09:46 AM

I also think this is an amicabale solution.

Mind you, I still believe in Santa clause, so it shows you how much I know.

Why didn't the Christians like the Romans?

'Cause they used to get hammered with Tax ....

SD

**jesus4u** · Nov 2nd, 2001, 09:51 AM

God is the Creator. From my view point that is a reality that we all have to deal with. He can do what He wants. Jesus Christ offers a life full of peace, fullfillment and joy in following Him. Nothing ever bad has resulted after a decision to follow Christ has been truly made. I, nor thousands of others ever regret following Christ. It is the because of bad experiences, one which people here have grouped me into the same category, that people are turned away from Christ. We have to realize we all, including me are human we make mistakes in the way we share things, BUT
from my point of view, we STILL have to deal with Jesus without letting some bad apples ruin our own entrance into knowing Him.
God will never force His views on us. He will let us choose. If you TRULY turn to God in repentance then you will know for sure without a shadow of doubt that HE is loving , caring and very interested in your life. But it seems you are not giving Him a chance.

**Gaffer** · Nov 2nd, 2001, 09:57 AM

Originally posted by jesus4u
Nothing ever bad has resulted after a decision to follow Christ has been truly made.

The Irish Christian Brothers. Sadistic sons of bitches...

BTW, I responded to your accusation that I pick on Christians in the
Pretty Impressive Stats thread...

**jesus4u** · Nov 2nd, 2001, 09:58 AM

grant you that but have u ever thought for a moment that just like in everything else, there are those who do not truly represent Jesus?

**SurfDemon** · Nov 2nd, 2001, 09:58 AM

Originally posted by jesus4u
Nothing ever bad has resulted after a decision to follow Christ has been truly made.

Try telling that to all the Irish/British kids that have been raped and abused by priests over the years

SD

**jesus4u** · Nov 2nd, 2001, 09:59 AM

you missed the emphasis I place on the word TRULY...there is a difference

**SurfDemon** · Nov 2nd, 2001, 10:05 AM

So are you trying to tell me that those children got raped because they didn't truly follow Jesus. What an insulting statement.

SD

**jesus4u** · Nov 2nd, 2001, 10:07 AM

NO WAY! I mean the evil priests must not have truly been following Christ. The children are innocent!

My how we misunderstand.

**Nathan** · Nov 2nd, 2001, 10:09 AM

OK, I've stayed out of these threads, but now I have to step in. You said that nothing bad ever happens from the decision to follow christ. What about the thousands of christians who are persecuted, killed and tortured for their faith every year in countries around the world. Check outhttp://www.persecution.net/main.htm I am a christian, but I have to say that I do not agree with your methods or most of your views. I would also like to remind everyone that he does not speak for all christians.

**jesus4u** · Nov 2nd, 2001, 10:12 AM

Originally posted by Nathan
OK, I've stayed out of these threads, but now I have to step in. You said that nothing bad ever happens from the decision to follow christ. What about the thousands of christians who are persecuted, killed and tortured for their faith every year in countries around the world. Check outhttp://www.persecution.net/main.htm I am a christian, but I have to say that I do not agree with your methods or most of your views. I would also like to remind everyone that he does not speak for all christians.

But according to Christ that is not a bad thing seeing we as Christians are looking forward to spending eternity with Him.
He also said that some would be killed for His name. Notice the difference...Some Christians are KILLED we don't go out and committ suicide in a plane.

I know I'll get flack for this one...

**SurfDemon** · Nov 2nd, 2001, 10:15 AM

Originally posted by jesus4u
NO WAY! I mean the evil priests must not have truly been following Christ. The children are innocent!

My how we misunderstand.

I don't see how I can misunderstand. You say nothing bad happens if you truely follow Christ. The kids truely follow Christ and are raped and tortured by the priests. What is there to misunderstand. It is quite apparent that bad things do happen to those who truely follow Christ.

SD

**jesus4u** · Nov 2nd, 2001, 10:18 AM

ok I see your point. Yes we do live in a horrible world and bad things do happen to the innocent. But Christ is there to put back in place what man has chosen by his freewill to do.

**Gaffer** · Nov 2nd, 2001, 10:21 AM

But surely an omnipotent God has control over these people's actions?

**jesus4u** · Nov 2nd, 2001, 10:22 AM

yes He does. But again FREEWILL. God will in the future put this messy world back into place.

**CiberTHuG** · Nov 2nd, 2001, 10:24 AM

Originally posted by jesus4u
God will never force His views on us. He will let us choose. If you TRULY turn to God in repentance then you will know for sure without a shadow of doubt that HE is loving , caring and very interested in your life. But it seems you are not giving Him a chance.

Yes, he doesn't "force" his will on us. But he doesn't give us a free choice. He has created a universe, and created a race of slaves, and has stated in no unclear terms, that if we reject him, if we simply refuse to love him, we will be punished.

I'm sorry, that may not constitute "force", but it is surely duress.

America has never and will never negotiate with terrorist. The first time you do, you loose because you have justified their actions.

Your god is a terrorist, threatening me with destruction or worse unless I give in to his demands! I don't care how good it may be to give in, the ends do not justify the means.

**jesus4u** · Nov 2nd, 2001, 10:29 AM

that is your view then

Guys I have work to do and I need to get to it

Until later..............................................................................

**CiberTHuG** · Nov 2nd, 2001, 10:35 AM

Originally posted by jesus4u
that is your view then

And I'm finding no evidence to the contrary. I can understand that you have work to do now. But you should respond sometime this weekend if you get a chance.

Otherwise I can only conclude that you have no evidence to the contrary, and simply don't want to admit that your god is a terrorist.

**Nathan** · Nov 2nd, 2001, 10:35 AM

He also said that some would be killed for His name. Notice the difference...Some Christians are KILLED we don't go out and committ suicide in a plane

How did you get into this tangent? I didn't say anything about killing in Christ's name.

Are you saying that if someone killed your family, took away every posession that you have and tortured you until you nearly died just because you believed in Christ, you wouldn't think anything bad happened to you? I'd like to get you into a room with some people who actually get persecuted for their faith and then have you tell them that nothing bad has happened to them. Take off your rose colored glasses and wake up!

**CiberTHuG** · Nov 2nd, 2001, 11:11 AM

Originally posted by Nathan
Are you saying that if someone killed your family, took away every posession that you have and tortured you until you nearly died just because you believed in Christ, you wouldn't think anything bad happened to you? I'd like to get you into a room with some people who actually get persecuted for their faith and then have you tell them that nothing bad has happened to them. Take off your rose colored glasses and wake up!

Uhm... what bad has happened? Pain is temporary, death is just a passing from one state to the other. You are highlighting mortal drama, which in the grand scheme of things is superficial.

**jesus4u** · Nov 2nd, 2001, 02:37 PM

Originally posted by CiberTHuG

And I'm finding no evidence to the contrary. I can understand that you have work to do now. But you should respond sometime this weekend if you get a chance.

Otherwise I can only conclude that you have no evidence to the contrary, and simply don't want to admit that your god is a terrorist.

LOL! LOL! Jesus is NO terrorist. THAT is the MOST ridiculous thing I ever heard

**jesus4u** · Nov 2nd, 2001, 02:40 PM

Originally posted by Nathan

How did you get into this tangent? I didn't say anything about killing in Christ's name.

Are you saying that if someone killed your family, took away every posession that you have and tortured you until you nearly died just because you believed in Christ, you wouldn't think anything bad happened to you? I'd like to get you into a room with some people who actually get persecuted for their faith and then have you tell them that nothing bad has happened to them. Take off your rose colored glasses and wake up!

My friend I know several misionaries in the Sudan right now who have lost limbs, family members and close friends for what they believe in and you know what? They ARE the happiest people I know. So please, I have first hand experience with that one.

**jesus4u** · Nov 2nd, 2001, 02:41 PM

Happiness is not necessarily being comfortable but living what you believe in. Some people live lies and never get to DO what they were made to do.

**CiberTHuG** · Nov 2nd, 2001, 03:27 PM

Originally posted by jesus4u
Jesus is NO terrorist. THAT is the MOST ridiculous thing I ever heard

Well, it is true. A kidnapper is a terrorist, who demands a ransome for the return of his prey. How is your god any different than that? He demands our love in return for his mercy.

I don't care if you think it is ridiculous. It is true, and you fail to answer the charges! Your god has created a race of slaves, and has threatened their endless torture unless they are mindlessly obedient. And you want to love such a cruel creature as that?!

Defend yourself, defend your god, or else you leave us all to wonder because we see no evidence to the contrary!

**JungleMan** · Nov 2nd, 2001, 04:06 PM

Uh, back to first grade here CiberThug. A terrorist is someone who instills, yes check your dictionary, TERROR into someone.

**barrk** · Nov 2nd, 2001, 04:08 PM

A terrorist would glady have you die for his cause........a martyr would gladly die for his cause. Which do you think applies here?

**jesus4u** · Nov 2nd, 2001, 04:09 PM

no matter what I have said you still don't believe Jesus is a loving God.

He never forces or threatens. That is the WAY you are taking it. With all due respect you must have a problem with authority telling you what to do.

**crptcblade** · Nov 2nd, 2001, 04:17 PM

Alls I know is, if Jebus was such a nice guy, then he should have come to my birthday party last year. All he did was send one of his lackey apostles with another stupid robe and some frankensence.. I mean, what the hell kind of presents are those?

**filburt1** · Nov 2nd, 2001, 04:17 PM

Originally posted by crptcblade
Alls I know is, if Jebus was such a nice guy, then he should have come to my birthday party last year. All he did was send one of his lackey apostles with another stupid robe and some frankensence.. I mean, what the hell kind of presents are those?

I know, what a cheapass.

**jesus4u** · Nov 2nd, 2001, 04:17 PM

**CiberTHuG** · Nov 2nd, 2001, 04:38 PM

Tennisman, I can't think of easy way to say this, so I'll just say, shut up. If you want a semantic arguement, go elsewhere. I consider kidnappers terrorist. They take a measure to elicit a response. You fear the consequences, so you have to react. That is terrorism. That is what a kidnapper is.

Yes a kidnapper is a different beast from the terrorist involved in 9/11, but he is still a terrorist.

J4U, I have no problem with authority telling me what to do. But throughout my life, authority has been one of two creatures: those who have authority because of their position in my life (parents), and those who have authority because I gave them that authority (President).

Your god was not given any authority, so he must be acting under the assumption that he is a parent. Funny, my parents always did things for my best interest, and would explain to me their goals. My parents also never demanded that I love them. They demanded that I clean my room.

Your god not only demands that I obey his commandments, but that I love him aswell. Your god is obviously a very bad parent, and is clearly not using his authority correctly.

Again, this causes me to sympathize with Lucifer.

Did you parents threaten to destroy you if you did not love them? What makes your god think this is a good idea?

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