Thread: Mfc

**CornedBee** · Oct 10th, 2001, 03:11 PM

Did you notice just how many programs use the oh-so-evil MFC?
Paint Shop Pro
Visual C++
ACD See
Netscape 4.0 !!
FileSync
Dreamweaver
ICQ (so much about internet distribution parksie

)
and a lot more...

Seems not to be as bad as always sad huh?
Whatever, I like it, and if yu want API, it's your choice. It's certainly more fun to do.

**Vlatko** · Oct 10th, 2001, 03:17 PM

Well nobody ever said thet MFC is entirely 'crap' (well parksie maybe). It is just that all those classes make me nervous. Apps are a little slower, dependencies etc. But it is a lot easier to write medium - large apps in MFC then in raw API. I will add Norton SYstem works to your list.
Oh, and why did you put Visual C++ in the list. It is certainly not written in MFC. Maybe parts, but i think it is mainly assembler.

**CornedBee** · Oct 10th, 2001, 03:22 PM

the user interface of VC++ is written with MFC. Use Spy++ to search it's windows, you'll see AfxFrameOrView42 or Afx:4000:blabla as window classes. Those are generated by MFC.

It's just that everytime someone asks about first time windows programming many people say MFC is evil. People should learn API first, but should learn MFC too if they ever intend to do larger apps.

**[praetorian]** · Oct 10th, 2001, 05:06 PM

My intention is to learn both the api and win32 programming, but also MFC, the only problem is that you have to have time to everything......and when you're in school you don't always have that unfortunately.

**parksie** · Oct 12th, 2001, 01:36 PM

CB - ICQ, yes, but see how f'ing huge it is!

MFC isn't crap, but it IS evil

**sail3005** · Oct 12th, 2001, 01:38 PM

but if the program is huge anyway, i can see why MFC would be bennificial. I am suprised that NS is written in MFC. What version of netscape was that? 6? or 4x?

**parksie** · Oct 12th, 2001, 01:41 PM

It might be, but I wouldn't use MFC because it forces your program into the document/view model which is quite hard to escape from. I *do* use classes to hide the API, but only as far as removing the gruntwork from using windows and dialogues goes.

4x, BTW - 6 is API with classes, I think.

**sail3005** · Oct 12th, 2001, 02:22 PM

does spy++ come with VC++?

**parksie** · Oct 12th, 2001, 02:26 PM

Yes.

**sail3005** · Oct 12th, 2001, 02:27 PM

hmmm...i don't see it. i guess i'll check the cd

**filburt1** · Oct 12th, 2001, 02:30 PM

Originally posted by CornedBee
Did you notice just how many programs use the oh-so-evil MFC?
Paint Shop Pro
Visual C++
ACD See
Netscape 4.0 !!
FileSync
Dreamweaver
ICQ (so much about internet distribution parksie )
and a lot more...

Seems not to be as bad as always sad huh?
Whatever, I like it, and if yu want API, it's your choice. It's certainly more fun to do.

PSP = Evil
Netscape = Evil
ICQ = Evil

jim mcnamara · Oct 12th, 2001, 02:38 PM

Sail -

spy++ is a part of C++ tools, you can get to it from

Start menu> C++ > c++ Tools

**sail3005** · Oct 12th, 2001, 02:40 PM

ahhhhhh.....thanks jim

**parksie** · Oct 12th, 2001, 02:41 PM

What's C++ tools?

**abdul** · Oct 12th, 2001, 02:48 PM

Originally posted by filburt1

PSP = Evil
Netscape = Evil
ICQ = Evil

So you have not ever used PSP?

jim mcnamara · Oct 12th, 2001, 02:50 PM

It's a start menu item that comes with v6.0 - which you apparently don't have. But you probably DO have OLEVIEW, spy++, dependency walker, and the other stuff - it's just on a menu is the difference.

Does v5.0 have ATL?

**parksie** · Oct 12th, 2001, 02:53 PM

Yes, but it's not compatible with WTL, which from the looks of things is a lot better than MFC.

Pity really - when I saw that in the PSDK I though it'd be really useful...and then found I needed a later version of ATL which I can't find.

**sail3005** · Oct 12th, 2001, 03:16 PM

Originally posted by abdul

So you have not ever used PSP?

PHP is actually very good in my opinion. Until i found adobe. but, i still think PSP and especially animation shoppe are very good.

**filburt1** · Oct 12th, 2001, 03:21 PM

Originally posted by abdul
So you have not ever used PSP?

Photoshop owns PSP.

**chrisjk** · Oct 12th, 2001, 03:24 PM

Originally posted by filburt1
Photoshop owns PSP.

How does a peice of software own another peice?

**filburt1** · Oct 12th, 2001, 03:26 PM

How can you be a renegade master?

**abdul** · Oct 12th, 2001, 03:39 PM

Sorry...

I thought PSP=Photoshop

**sail3005** · Oct 12th, 2001, 03:46 PM

PSP = Paint Shop Pro...made by http://www.jasc.com (JASC)

jim mcnamara · Oct 12th, 2001, 10:25 PM

Boy - this thread wandered off track..

CB's point is simple - likeit or lump it, professional programming in C++ makes extensive use of mfc. Period. Does that make it bad or good? Neither. It makes it - "That's the way it is"

Some mfc code is a mess to look at and interpret, but so in fact Petzold (platform SDK ) style code can be.

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