Post election prediction

[Niya]

Considering you've never bothered to even ask what I meant by "win win". Obviously you were never interested in a honest interpretation.

I've been misunderstood in these threads for years in these non-technical threads and NOT ONCE did anyone of you ever ask, "Niya, why do you say that" or "Could you explain that?" or "What made you come to believe these things". Not a single time. Instead it was "You're a lost cause", "You're right winger", "Transphobe", "Where are the adults in the room", and all manner of insults and a bunch of bans. I've taken it all on the chin. Sometimes I bit back, true, I won't deny that, and I do apologize for that, but for the most part, I've been pretty reasonable considering the amount of abuse I've endured here simply because I don't believe in the things you do.

So yea, I could ask what you meant by "win win" but I won't because that is not what you would do in my position. If you want an honest conversation, I am open to it but understand that, yes, I do think all this woke stuff is nonsense. So what? Instead of throwing insults and venom, any of you could at any time could have simply asked why I believe the things I do, and I would have told you. But you were never interested in that were you? Nah. Niya is a filthy right winger, he doesn't deserve understanding, right?

[wes4dbt]

I've been misunderstood in these threads for years in these non-technical threads and NOT ONCE did anyone of you ever ask, "Niya, why do you say that" or "Could you explain that?" or "What made you come to believe these things". Not a single time. Instead it was "You're a lost cause", "You're right winger", "Transphobe", "Where are the adults in the room", and all manner of insults and a bunch of bans. I've taken it all on the chin. Sometimes I bit back, true, I won't deny that, and I do apologize for that, but for the most part, I've been pretty reasonable considering the amount of abuse I've endured here simply because I don't believe in the things you do.

So yea, I could ask what you meant by "win win" but I won't because that is not what you would do in my position. If you want an honest conversation, I am open to it but understand that, yes, I do think all this woke stuff is nonsense. So what? Instead of throwing insults and venom, any of you could at any time could have simply asked why I believe the things I do, and I would have told you. But you were never interested in that were you? Nah. Niya is a filthy right winger, he doesn't deserve understanding, right?

Ah, your the victim. Your dishonesty representations of what I said is my fault. Typical Niya.

[Niya]

Ah, your the victim. Your dishonesty representations of what I said is my fault. Typical Niya.

That's right.

And you're doing it again.

[wes4dbt]

That's right.

And you're doing it again.

That's funny.

[FunkyDexter]

responsibilities that are ultimately intended to benefit you, the American citizen

There's your mistake... right there.

Congress needs to address the matter of revoking Statehood.

Step back a second and consider how low you've sunk.

[dilettante]

Who has sunk low?

There is a money trail from the current staged and incited riots right back to State of California's taxpayer funded support in the 10s of millions to those organizations.

The corruption runs deep, victimizing its own citizens and businesses.

What's "low" is defending this regime and its actions.

[wes4dbt]

Though I'm in complete support of the right to protest, I'm always disappointed if violence/property damage happens. It doesn't help the cause of the protest. It's easily used as a tool to distract from the point of the protest. That's evident in this situation because all that's being talked about is the violence, National Guard and the Newsom/Trump sound bites. I know the protests are over the ICE raids but not exactly what about the raiders they're are protesting or what they want to change.

[TysonLPrice]

RFK Jr. removes all 17 members of CDC's vaccine advisory committee

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/rfk-jr...y?id=122670046

That is one way to put together a team that agrees with you...

[FunkyDexter]

Who has sunk low?

You called for the disenfranchisement of nearly 4 million people because you disagree with their politics. So you.

[dilettante]

You called for the disenfranchisement of nearly 4 million people because you disagree with their politics. So you.

Suggest an alternative remedy then.

[wes4dbt]

You called for the disenfranchisement of nearly 4 million people because you disagree with their politics. So you.

If your talking about California, you forgot a zero.

[wes4dbt]

RFK Jr. removes all 17 members of CDC's vaccine advisory committee

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/rfk-jr...y?id=122670046

That is one way to put together a team that agrees with you...

I saw that. It's scary to think about the amount of harm he could cause.

[wes4dbt]

Suggest an alternative remedy then.

Don't create problems that don't exist.

Between the rampant lawlessness and abuse of Federal funding the place is obviously unfit to continue this way any longer.

Rampant lawlessness - The current problem in LA involves less than .1% of the people that live here. The actual number of people committing criminal acts is probably less than .001%. So hardly rampant. It will be resolved, it always is. There are five other states with higher crime rates, so why don't you start with those states.

abuse of Federal funding - A vague unsupported claim is hardly a major problem.


The really disappointing thing to me is that this minority of the protesters (I use that loosely because they're not actually protesting) has completely obscured what the protests are about. No one is talking about what issue is being protested.

[dilettante]

[TysonLPrice]

What I would really like to see is protesters disrupt Trump's military birthday parade. PEACEFULLY- ABSOULTLY PEACEFULLY, Block it from getting to the capital. Just ruin it for him. I just want him embarrassed for disgracing the country with his narcissism of pretending it is for the military when it is for him. A President's birthday gets a military parade, that is what the US has devolved to.

[FunkyDexter]

Suggest an alternative remedy then.

When your solution is to disenfranchise citizens, I don't think it's on me to suggest better. Your suggestion does not even belong in the conversation outside of autocracy.

Also

Don't create problems that don't exist.

^That

[FunkyDexter]

Regarding the events in LA, there has been some criminal damage, some rock throwing etc. (and I saw one guy ride a motorbike at the police - that was pretty full on!) but it has been limited to a single block around the federal detention centre. Some of it is extreme in the act but it is tiny in scale. It is not the city wide war zone Fox et al want to portray it as and the National Guard is an unnecessary and counter productive escalation - not to mention the Marines.

The reason for this is that Trump wants to create a state of emergency. He is using power to deliberately provoke as much trouble as he can because it allows him to escalate that power further. He is going to use this tactic in Blue States prior to the midterms in order to see them cancelled or postponed.

[TysonLPrice]

Regarding the events in LA, there has been some criminal damage, some rock throwing etc. (and I saw one guy ride a motorbike at the police - that was pretty full on!) but it has been limited to a single block around the federal detention centre. Some of it is extreme in the act but it is tiny in scale. It is not the city wide war zone Fox et al want to portray it as and the National Guard is an unnecessary and counter productive escalation - not to mention the Marines.

The reason for this is that Trump wants to create a state of emergency. He is using power to deliberately provoke as much trouble as he can because it allows him to escalate that power further. He is going to use this tactic in Blue States prior to the midterms in order to see them cancelled or postponed.

He is a man that tried to overthrow the government an failed. He will be trying again.

[dilettante]

I'm not sure where you get your information, but it is not correct. Multiple vehicles were set ablaze, bricks and broken up concrete was pelted at and down onto law enforcement, as well as bottles of liquids. Multiple stores were looted, truckloads of face shields and masks were brought in and distributed to rioters.

You must be focused on highly sanitized media releases that are trying to play this (actual) insurrection down.



And Trump did consult with Newsome and instruct his to "get his ass in gear" and stop the riots well before (i.e. Friday night) he Federalized the Guard.



There are also "franchised" operations of the same type now in other cities, with more planned in coming days. The black-dressed and masked Antifa types have been seen in all of these cities directing mobs.

[dilettante]

He is a man that tried to overthrow the government an failed.

That has been thoroughly debunked.

There has also been an entire election since then, and the people have spoken.

[TysonLPrice]

That has been thoroughly debunked.

That is one of the more asinine things you have posted.- He was impeached for it...

[TysonLPrice]

I'm not sure where you get your information, but it is not correct. Multiple vehicles were set ablaze, bricks and broken up concrete was pelted at and down onto law enforcement, as well as bottles of liquids. Multiple stores were looted, truckloads of face shields and masks were brought in and distributed to rioters.

You must be focused on highly sanitized media releases that are trying to play this (actual) insurrection down.



And Trump did consult with Newsome and instruct his to "get his ass in gear" and stop the riots well before (i.e. Friday night) he Federalized the Guard.



There are also "franchised" operations of the same type now in other cities, with more planned in coming days. The black-dressed and masked Antifa types have been seen in all of these cities directing mobs.

Caused by Trump and in a one square mile area. Not what Trump and your sites report.

[dilettante]

He was impeached for it...

Little prevents a big enough crowd of screwed up legislators from calling for impeachment with or without cause. When was the conviction and removal from office?

Conducting Banana Republic games like this proves nothing. Each attempt has proven vacuous.

There was no January 6th insurrection. However there was a feeble-minded puppet in office for four years with a shadow executive illegally acting on his behalf. History is looking back at the Biden-Harris years with shame.


Guys, you need to get some help. Perhaps then you may be able to appreciate and enjoy all of the good things going on.

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[dilettante]

I see the Trump "fraud case" was thrown out on appeal hearing. The supposed "victim" even showed up to defend him!

The judges laid the hammer down on the DNC's lawyers, suggesting they should be sanctioned for their case's obvious malevolence and perhaps prosecuted for election interference.

[Peter Porter]

There was no January 6th insurrection.

If there was no insurrection, then why were Trump supporters inside the Capitol building that day?
Why did members of Congress, Republicans included, have to evacuate and take shelter?
What were they afraid might happen?

[wes4dbt]

If there was no insurrection, then why were Trump supporters inside the Capitol building that day?
Why did members of Congress, Republicans included, have to evacuate and take shelter?
What were they afraid might happen?

It's all a conspiracy delusion of Dil's. He's made this claim over and over.

[wes4dbt]

I see the Trump "fraud case" was thrown out on appeal hearing. The supposed "victim" even showed up to defend him!

The judges laid the hammer down on the DNC's lawyers, suggesting they should be sanctioned for their case's obvious malevolence and perhaps prosecuted for election interference.

I don't know where you came up with this claim. Not even sure which case your talking about. Haven't found any recent news on the subject of Trump fraud cases.

Edit:

This is the only thing I found about a Trump fraud case. https://currently.att.yahoo.com/news...210453804.html

It doesn't even come close to what you claim.

[TysonLPrice]

There was no January 6th insurrection. However there was a feeble-minded puppet in office for four years with a shadow executive illegally acting on his behalf. History is looking back at the Biden-Harris years with shame.

I'm pretty sure we will never agree on that...

[TysonLPrice]

Are we ready for an escalation?

U.S. shrinks presence in Middle East amid fears of Israeli strike on Iran

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...-attack-fears/

[FunkyDexter]

There was no January 6th insurrection

[dilettante]

I never said there wasn't a protest, or that a few weren't egged on by embedded agitators to enter the Capitol Building.

What looting took place? What damage was done? How many fires?? How much brick and concrete and crude mortar-fire was directed at the police? Who occupied for days and days and produced manifestos of demands?

Total BS. It was a protest, and a brief one, with a few extreme actions at the prodding of fifth columnists with deep state connections.

All of this is known fact.

There was nothing to celebrate about the incident. The protest got out of control and there were some unsavory types involved for sure. But it was far from an "insurrection" and there was certainly no attempt to "overthrow the government." There were unfortunate deaths, that's true. But most of them were only incidental, things like heart attacks, several of them days afterward.

It was nothing like the BLM riots or the meltdown of order in LA. There is no comparison at all.


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[Niya]

But it was far from an "insurrection" and there was certainly no attempt to "overthrow the government."

People are still pushing this nonsense?

So they're trying to tell everyone that this guy:-


Could overthrow a government with this:-


And this:-


And this:-


And this:-


And this:-


Call me crazy, but I think the American government can defend itself just fine against the QAnon Shaman. Maybe I'm wrong. Perhaps he can sink aircraft carriers with his farts.

But on a serious note, I find it very telling that the media is still trying to sell this ridiculous "insurrection" narrative. It means they think you're stupid and who can blame them, they correctly guessed that a lot of people would actually believe this. Americans should be insulted by this.

[TysonLPrice]

I never said there wasn't a protest, or that a few weren't egged on by embedded agitators to enter the Capitol Building.

What looting took place? What damage was done? How many fires?? How much brick and concrete and crude mortar-fire was directed at the police? Who occupied for days and days and produced manifestos of demands?

Total BS. It was a protest, and a brief one, with a few extreme actions at the prodding of fifth columnists with deep state connections.

All of this is known fact.

There was nothing to celebrate about the incident. The protest got out of control and there were some unsavory types involved for sure. But it was far from an "insurrection" and there was certainly no attempt to "overthrow the government." There were unfortunate deaths, that's true. But most of them were only incidental, things like heart attacks, several of them days afterward.

It was nothing like the BLM riots or the meltdown of order in LA. There is no comparison at all.


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The purpose of the "protest" was to stop the certification of the elections. There were months of activities trying to stop the certification before that. All proved false. Four years later there are still election deniers and since they will probably teach their kids that it will be with us for a long time.

[FunkyDexter]

What damage was done?

5 dead police officers, 7 accredited deaths in total.

What looting took place?

He's the most comical example but you won't struggle to find plenty more with a quick google search.

How much brick and concrete and crude mortar-fire was directed at the police?

You're right on that. It was mostly bear spray, batons and sharpened flag poles.

All of this is known fact.

Nope.

Edit>

embedded agitators

And nope on that too. In a way I kind of admire the acrobatic thinking required to conclude that the party that won an election conspired to prevent it's certification.

there are still election deniers

Pretty sure we're talking to one.

So they're trying to tell everyone that this guy

Nobody said they weren't delusional.

[Shaggy Hiker]

Niya, you seem to think that everybody must cower before power. You said that Ukraine clearly couldn't win against Russia, suggesting that they should just accept their fate. Now you suggest that military weapons are proof against insurrection. Are you suggesting that upon a show of might, everybody should meekly submit? Must might always be met with acquiescence, or is there some point at which a weaker body should stand up to abuse by a more powerful body?

[wes4dbt]

People are still pushing this nonsense?

So they're trying to tell everyone that this guy:-


Could overthrow a government with this:-


And this:-


And this:-


And this:-


And this:-


Call me crazy, but I think the American government can defend itself just fine against the QAnon Shaman. Maybe I'm wrong. Perhaps he can sink aircraft carriers with his farts.

But on a serious note, I find it very telling that the media is still trying to sell this ridiculous "insurrection" narrative. It means they think you're stupid and who can blame them, they correctly guessed that a lot of people would actually believe this. Americans should be insulted by this.

Your applying a unrealistic definition of what the term "insurrection" means.

an act or instance of revolting against civil authority or an established government

They were violently trying to overthrow an election. That definitely fits the definition.

[dilettante]

How was a protest outside the Capitol going to overthrow anything?

We know where the lawlessness lies: with those attempting to impede the apprehension of criminals.

Every day more people stand up against the excesses of the Democrats and their bizarre attempts to hijack the culture. As reported by CNN even the immigrant population has shifted toward Trump's policies by 40 points!

The narrative has crumbled in the light of day.

[wes4dbt]

How was a protest outside the Capitol going to overthrow anything?

That's the most dishonest or most delusional description of what happened that I've ever read.

[Shaggy Hiker]

It's been moving further and further away from reality. First it wasn't an insurrection, then it was peaceful (or at least Trump supporters were peaceful), and now it's outside the Capitol. Pretty soon they'll be claiming they weren't even in Washington and never even left their own houses.

[Niya]

Niya, you seem to think that everybody must cower before power. You said that Ukraine clearly couldn't win against Russia, suggesting that they should just accept their fate. Now you suggest that military weapons are proof against insurrection. Are you suggesting that upon a show of might, everybody should meekly submit? Must might always be met with acquiescence, or is there some point at which a weaker body should stand up to abuse by a more powerful body?

A serious attempt to overthrow the American political system by force would likely involve coordinated foreign and domestic operatives with substantial funding, expert training, and precise planning. It could include targeted assassinations, bombings, infiltration of key institutions, disruption of communications, and manipulation of public sentiment to weaken the government's ability to respond.

Now, is that what they told you? No. Instead they try to tell you that this guy is going to do it:-


And he's going to do it by smashing stuff while shouting like some crazy drunk on a Friday night.

They sell you this narrative because they think you're stupid. That is the point I was making.