Post election prediction

[wes4dbt]

Yeah, I agree. WW2 massively pushed weapons and tactics forward. So did WW1, the American Civil War, the French Revolution and so forth. I don't think it undermines Shaggy's position, though, which I think was that the Ukraine conflict has jumped tech forward rather than that previous conflicts didn't

I wasn't trying to say SH position was wrong. My comment was, it's a hard comparison. WWII certainly "jumped tech forward" in multiple fields. Radar, Rocketry and the bomb. It sort of depends on how you want to measure the advancements. By speed, volume.

Now I'm probably going to dig myself a deeper hole. lol

How has the Ukraine war "jumped tech forward" by any large amount? It seems to me the technology their using isn't new. It seems they have expanded the uses to that technology and added functionality. They have found more and more ways to use that technology. What technology is revolutionary about their drones?

SH seems to know far more than me about the current situation, maybe I just haven't heard or read about it.

[Shaggy Hiker]

It may be that they are revolutionary because they are NOT revolutionary. They are using cheap drones repurposed in amazing ways. For one thing, the battlefield is becoming transparent in that you basically can't move anywhere near the front lines without being spotted. There's nothing revolutionary about any of that tech. Different sensors, different types of cameras, and so forth. What has been a real technological battlefield has been signal transmission. First it was radio transmissions, then those got jammed, so you went to multi-spectrum transmissions, then the jamming was able to chase the signal, and so forth. At one point, I read that the most cutting edge US transmission and jamming systems were being rejected by Ukraine since they were too hopelessly obsolete to be of any value. That's also what has driven the move into fiber optics, and something far more scary.

For a long time, fully autonomous killer drones were a line that people only speculated on, but largely rejected. Everybody in an armchair was stating that there always had to be a human in the loop making the final kill decision. Jamming meant that the human might not be able to communicate with the drone, and the tech to allow a sufficient image recognition wasn't out of reach. I don't know how far it has progressed, but I got the impression they (both sides, most likely) were already deploying drones that had to be controlled into an area, but could then go on and attack without input.

This may not last very long, anyways, as I've read a couple articles talking about tech that is being pursued (though which does not yet exist) to fry the electronics of a drone using some kind of beam weapon. The idea would be a laser, though which frequency I have no idea. Of course, there would then be shielding developed against that, and the race would go on.

The drones are simple and known. The explosives are pretty well known. It's how communication with the drone is performed, and how much is needed, that seems to be the area of greatest evolution, at the moment. Anti-drone countermeasures and anti-anti-drone countermeasures look to be the next area.

Still, instead of multi-million dollar, high-tech, weapon systems that require a huge industrial base and great amounts of time to produce, we're seeing cheaper systems becoming increasingly lethal. It's one thing to have to worry about a 100 million dollar helicopter. Yeah, it's dangerous, but there won't be very many of them, so killing one may make you safe. It's a different matter to be dealing with dozens of tiny, fast, bomb-carrying drones waiting overhead. Killing one solves nothing, as they are so cheap that a new one will be along shortly, and all the rest are still there.

[sapator]

Yeah, I get it, I just think it's laughably wrong. I do agree that if Russia used nukes, that would make short work of all kinds of things. Everybody has stopped short of that since Nagasaki because it would mean going off into a future nobody can quite predict. However, when it comes to conventional weapons, they aren't a bulldozer, they've shown themselves to be a paper tiger. They're producing a whole lot of armor each month, but it's not new armor, it's refurbished Soviet armor...which gets smoked in short order if it ever gets in range of the drone swarms both sides are operating around the front lines. They produce almost no new armor, and it is also getting smoked. They're producing vast amounts of ammunition each month, and using it to little effect.

Back when they first attacked, lots of people thought the way you did, and predicted a swift Russian victory because of their overwhelming might. Then they attacked and promptly lost so much armor that Ukrainian farmers had, at one point, one of the largest concentrations of armor in Europe. Currently, while estimates vary, Russia has lost an estimated three quarters of a million troops. Yes, they are trying to increase the size of their military to twice that, but unless you are advocating they use human wave attacks, it won't make that much difference.

OH good the indisputable numbers make this easier to step aside from the conversation. Thanks for that.

Edit. Father Teams Mother Teams and Kid Teams walk on the road, kid Teams is slowing down so the father turns and yell at him, F Microsoft! And of course by F we mean Fester. (Fester Teams Microsoft, the kids name) .

[Shaggy Hiker]

Edit. Father Teams Mother Teams and Kid Teams walk on the road, kid Teams is slowing down so the father turns and yell at him, F Microsoft! And of course by F we mean Fester. (Fester Teams Microsoft, the kids name) .

That, right there, has to be the most convoluted, obfuscated, complaint I have ever seen. Howling in rage at Microsoft is one thing, coming up with that....well, that's a different thing.

[sapator]

And they will keep coming until someone admits that he deleted my Teams complain post last week.

[wes4dbt]

And they will keep coming until someone admits that he deleted my Teams complain post last week.

I hope so. Watching a grownup throwing a tantrum is very entertaining.

[Shaggy Hiker]

I hope so. Watching a grownup throwing a tantrum is very entertaining.

Watching Sapator throwing a tantrum is both entertaining AND educational.

However, I wasn't deleting anything last week, as I was off in Yellowstone...though I think there were some Microsoft bots sniffing around...

[sapator]

Who's is a grownup?... Ah, OK.. Actually now I'm going in a battle with VS2022 bs. Every now and then exceptions. I'm going Moti on it's afrs!!

[FunkyDexter]

Russia's goal isn't the complete destruction of Ukraine and it's people

It's the complete subjugation of Ukraine. Putin has been very clear about this on multiple occasions. He doesn't think Ukraine is a valid separate country.

they could have done that in a month or perhaps less, using conventional weapons.

They tried. They failed.

The fact is Russia can decide at anytime that they are tired of this and just go all in and they would win decisively.

The factual evidence says you're wrong.

I wasn't trying to say SH position was wrong.

Just to be clear, I didn't think you were. Though my post may have come across that way.

[FunkyDexter]

And they will keep coming until someone admits that he deleted my Teams complain post last week.

I'm not sure which post you're talking about but I'm guessing that it was the one that started "I really got to share this. It was marvelous!" in the Skype/Teams thread. Looking at it's history it appears that you wrote it, then edited it, then deleted it leaving a reason about lickboots.

Are you sure you didn't delete it yourself by accident when trying to edit it? If not then something strange is happening and you should probably post in Forum Feedback.

[sapator]

The deletion was intentional yesterday as someone undeleted the post after I complained.
Anyhow if it was a glitch it was a glitch , let's move on.

[wes4dbt]

In general a persons beliefs don't matter much to me. But when people responsible for educating children inject conspiracy theories into the curriculum that annoys me.

https://currently.att.yahoo.com/news...090608911.html

I had seen this story a while back, for some reason it resurfaced today.

Seems such an injustice to the children.

[Niya]

In general a persons beliefs don't matter much to me. But when people responsible for educating children inject conspiracy theories into the curriculum that annoys me.

https://currently.att.yahoo.com/news...090608911.html

I had seen this story a while back, for some reason it resurfaced today.

Seems such an injustice to the children.

Wow. Of all the utterly insane things they tried to push in American schools and universities in the last 4+ years, this is the one that finally gets you.

[wes4dbt]

Of all the utterly insane things they tried to push in American schools and universities in the last 4+ years,

Like what??

[Niya]

Like what??

Nah. I'm not looking to start another argument. If you know, you know, if not, that's fine too.

[wes4dbt]

Nah. I'm not looking to start another argument. If you know, you know, if not, that's fine too.

Well, I hope your able to get over the shock and confusion my post caused you.

[Niya]

Well, I hope your able to get over the shock and confusion my post caused you.

I've booked a session with a therapist about it.

[dilettante]

Huh. No mention of the Biden Cover-Up Scandal? He was a waxen dummy the entire 4 years.

[sapator]

You mean this ?

"What are we doing here?’: Democrats were shocked at Biden’s decline but stayed quiet, according to new book"
https://edition.cnn.com/2025/05/20/p...iginal-sin-age

I was writing he was a pawn , everyone could see except US and close leech countries.
Doesn't' really matter now tho. It's over he is dying so I wouldn't go bash on him. Just another pawn to the grinder.

[TysonLPrice]

Huh. No mention of the Biden Cover-Up Scandal? He was a waxen dummy the entire 4 years.

Where is your moronic video proving your point

[Shaggy Hiker]

He certainly declined. He was also far more effective at getting legislation through a divided congress than any president in a long time.

Now we have Dementia Don and his Clowns.

[dilettante]

It's a terrible disease. Considering its advanced state it isn't possible that it just came out of the blue as complicit press would have us believe. Add the obvious mental fog and other behavioral issues and the entire term of office smacks of elder abuse.

It calls every action taken during that term into question. Fours years under the reign of a Deep State armed with autopen forgeries.

[Niya]

Considering its advanced state it isn't possible that it just came out of the blue as complicit press would have us believe.

The purpose of the corporate media is to invent reality. It is entirely possible that this poor man was ill before his term started but the media needed a superhero to defeat the villainous Donald Trump and at the time he was the best one to fit that role at the time, and they didn't give a damn about his health. The only reason they tried to force-feed the American electorate Kamala Harris was that the reality warping powers of the media, great as they are, could not pacify the truth indefinitely. The truth started to bleed into their fiction and Kamala Harris was the answer they came up with in their desperation.

[sapator]

Although media are just pawns , they are instructed by the deep state ( I suppose a video here is expected to prove it.. Here 8--> )

[dilettante]

Where is your moronic video proving your point

Doesn't take much. There are hundreds and the facts aren't in dispute.

[wes4dbt]

Nice paranoia party going on today. You got your usual villains, the Deep State and Corporate Media. Good to see Dil being creative and adding Autopen.

[sapator]

The door swings both ways.

[Niya]

Nice paranoia party going on today. You got your usual villains, the Deep State and Corporate Media. Good to see Dil being creative and adding Autopen.

Such irony, saying this in a thread where 95% of its content are inventive narratives about how Trump is going to destroy the universe.

The door swings both ways.

Yep.

[wes4dbt]

Such irony, saying this in a thread where 95% of its content are inventive narratives about how Trump is going to destroy the universe.

Not sure which category to put this. Extreme exaggeration, hyperbole or delusion??? Certainly not in the truth category.

It's a holiday so I'll just consider it a joke. Thanks for the humor.

[Niya]

Nice paranoia party going on today. You got your usual villains, the Deep State and Corporate Media. Good to see Dil being creative and adding Autopen.

Not sure which category to put this. Extreme exaggeration, hyperbole or delusion??? Certainly not in the truth category.

It's a holiday so I'll just consider it a joke. Thanks for the humor.

[wes4dbt]

That's easy, Truth.

[Niya]

Such irony, saying this in a thread where 95% of its content are inventive narratives about how Trump is going to destroy the universe.

Not sure which category to put this. Extreme exaggeration, hyperbole or delusion??? Certainly not in the truth category.

It's a holiday so I'll just consider it a joke. Thanks for the humor.

That's easy, Truth.

[wes4dbt]

That's easy, Truth.

Really??? You really think 95% of the posts in this thread are about how Trump is going to destroy the world.

That's so far from reality but I don't doubt you believe that.

[Niya]

Really??? You really think 95% of the posts in this thread are about how Trump is going to destroy the world.

See, now you're just making stuff up. I said no such thing. You sure you don't work for CNN?

[wes4dbt]

See, now you're just making stuff up. I said no such thing. You sure you don't work for CNN?

Such irony, saying this in a thread where 95% of its content are inventive narratives about how Trump is going to destroy the universe.

Your words. Are they true???

This should be an interesting song and dance.

[Shaggy Hiker]

Why isn't the media talking about how deranged Trump is? He's almost the same age, he's taking tests that you only take if you are showing signs of mental deterioration, and his interviews tend to go into insanity. I can understand why Fox is covering for him, but nobody else seems to be pointing out his erratic statements. It may just be that he's been erratic for so long that everybody expects it, but his inability to even come up with BS answers to softball questions suggests he's barely sticking to his own fantasy.

[wes4dbt]

It may just be that he's been erratic for so long that everybody expects it

You might have been half joking but I think that's a big part of it. You just come to accept the craziness. It's normal.

[Niya]

Your words.

It takes an amazing level of talent to misquote someone right after quoting what they actually said.

Let me help you out:-

Really??? You really think 95% of the posts in this thread are about how Trump is going to destroy the world.

Such irony, saying this in a thread where 95% of its content are inventive narratives about how Trump is going to destroy the universe.

BTW I could not help but be reminded of this hilarious story from Neil DeGrasse Tyson about an exchange he has in a court of law about eye witness testimony:-
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/HsdFdA1Iboo

That story is literally what just happened here. That is so hilarious.

[wes4dbt]

It takes an amazing level of talent to misquote someone right after quoting what they actually said.

Let me help you out:-




BTW I could not help but be reminded of this hilarious story from Neil DeGrasse Tyson about an exchange he has in a court of law about eye witness testimony:-
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/HsdFdA1Iboo

That story is literally what just happened here. That is so hilarious.

Never seen anyone work so hard at avoiding responsibility for what they say. Thanks for the entertainment.

Why don't you just answer the question?

Such irony, saying this in a thread where 95% of its content are inventive narratives about how Trump is going to destroy the universe.

Your words. Are they true???

[Niya]

Never seen anyone work so hard at avoiding responsibility for what they say.

Like you? Completely avoiding the fact that you said I said something which I didn't actually say:-

Really??? You really think 95% of the posts in this thread are about how Trump is going to destroy the world.

Such irony, saying this in a thread where 95% of its content are inventive narratives about how Trump is going to destroy the universe.

Lets talk about that.