Post election prediction

[FunkyDexter]

Irrelevant.

Why? It's corruption that occurred under Trump. He's responsible for it.

I just don't now the acquisition date, did not bother to search.

You should have done. It was right there in the article you linked to. 2007... under Bush. Damn those woke... Republicans... I guess.

Re Ukraine, I'm not opposed to Trump talking to Putin, it seems like a necessary part of the process. The worry is that he spoke to Putin and then had Hegseth announce that Ukraine would not be able to keep it's sovereign territory and would not be allowed to join NATO, thus having no security guarantees in roughly 10 years time once Russia has rearmed. And that done before speaking to Zelensky or the rest of NATO. That is capitulation.

If Trump manages to negotiate a deal that sees future security for the people of Ukraine I will give him credit. But the "Master of the Deal" announcing that he's going to give an aggressor everything he wants before starting negotiations does not feel likely to produce that result to me.

[sapator]

I think Russia will stop when he acquires all the "Russian Speaking territories" and sign a treaty that will also rule our Ukraine from joining NATO. I think that was the master plan but Trump made it easier. That seems likely to happen in May.
Well someone has to win in a war and Russia won, all Europe idiots that participated are now paying high prices for gas either from US or from Russia that cannot be called Russian so it deviates to Turkey or Greece comes right back and christianed as EU fuel and smuggled to EU. Yep, we are complete idiots.

[PlausiblyDamp]

Not getting into the war but in wiki it writes:

Historically, no single individual has been permitted to own more than 15% of Reuters, under the first of the Reuters Principles, which states, "Reuters shall at no time pass into the hands of any one interest, group or faction."[24] However, that restriction was waived for the purchase by Thomson, whose family holding company, the Woodbridge Company currently owns 53% of the enlarged business. Robert Peston, business editor at BBC News, stated that this has worried Reuters journalists, both because they are concerned that Reuters' journalism business will be marginalized by the financial data provision business of the combined company, and because of the threat to Reuters's reputation for unbiased journalism by the appearance of one majority shareholder.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomson_Reuters

I just don't now the acquisition date, did not bother to search.

Thanks for that, I didn't spot that - guess I should have done more research as well

[FunkyDexter]

I think Russia will stop when he acquires all the "Russian Speaking territories"

So... Anschluss? Those who ignore history...

[Niya]

You are sharing things as if they are true without doing anything to justify them, passing false information off as true like this certainly makes you look gulible.

You say it's false information and I say it's true. What now?

Reuters is indeed a news agency, that contract however was to Thomson Reuters Special Services LLC- a completely different company that just happens to have one word in common.

Btw Thomson Reuters is a data analytics company that specialises in this area - but again reading the image you posted and doing a 30 second google search is far too much effort when it is easier to push disinformation that servers your own viewpoint.

Thomson Reuters owns the Reuters news agency. Given that a lot of USAID funds have been found to be used to promote propaganda around the world, it's a pretty easy conclude it's the same thing happening here.

[Niya]

Why? It's corruption that occurred under Trump. He's responsible for it.

We weren't talking about Trump. We were talking about USAID and it's relationship to Reuters. Trump's possible complicity is an entirely different conversation.

[PlausiblyDamp]

We weren't talking about Trump. We were talking about USAID and it's relationship to Reuters. Trump's possible complicity is an entirely different conversation.

Relationship with Thomson Reuters Special Services LLC, not Reuters the news agency. Also the image is from the USA Government's spending, not USAID - so you might well be talking about USAID and Reuters but the image you posted has nothing to do with either.

[PlausiblyDamp]

You say it's false information and I say it's true. What now?

Given you are saying it is true when you are confusing Reuters the news agency with Thomson Reuters Special Services LLC, given you haven't bothered to read what the contract was actually about either - I would say you are arguing without evidence yet again not bothering to do any research beyond an image you probably found on Twitter (a well known source of disinformation these days)

Thomson Reuters owns the Reuters news agency. Given that a lot of USAID funds have been found to be used to promote propaganda around the world, it's a pretty easy conclude it's the same thing happening here.

The image you posted had nothing to do with USAID either though, that is a government department (Department of Defence) having a publicly disclosed contract (not some dark secret unearthed by Musk), with a company that specialises in data analytics and national security, for the purposes of investigating and protecting against Active Social Engineering and Large scale Social Deception - look at the description "ACTIVE SOCIAL ENGINEERING DEFENSE (ASED) LARGE SCALE SOCIAL DECEPTION (LSD)" it even contains the word "DEFENSE" in the actual title!

[sapator]

So... Anschluss? Those who ignore history...

It is what it is, mark it however you like.

[2kaud]

Robert Peston, business editor at BBC News

Robert Peston is Political Editor at ITV News

[sapator]

Who's Robert Peston?

He ain't from round here.
No, really.
Who is he, Caleb?

Oh, you're about to find out..

[FunkyDexter]

Trump's possible complicity is an entirely different conversation.

I feel like it's one you'd want to have if you have a genuine interest in dealing with corruption.

I feel like you'd want to have a conversation about how Musk makes $8 million dollars a day from government contracts if you have a genuine interest in dealing with corruption.

I feel like you'd want to have a conversation about how the State Department publicised that they were going to be buying $400 million worth of armoured Teslas then walked it back if you have a genuine interest in dealing with corruption.

I feel like you'd want to have a conversation abut how Musk put teenager who was previously fired for leaking company secrets in charge of American's personal finance data if you have a genuine interest in dealing with corruption.


I have a theory about why you're not having these conversations.

[FunkyDexter]

Who's Robert Peston?

Robert Peston is Political Editor at ITV News

I feel like your ability to research is getting weaker by the minute.

[sapator]

Oh Funky Funky Funky.
I thought it would be given out on "Caleb"

So better chew before you speak.

[Niya]

Relationship with Thomson Reuters Special Services LLC, not Reuters the news agency. Also the image is from the USA Government's spending, not USAID - so you might well be talking about USAID and Reuters but the image you posted has nothing to do with either.

Yes, you're correct. My bad on that. It was the Department of Defense, not USAID. Got my wires a bit crossed there as this is part of the same conversation. I've been consuming a lot of information on this story so it's all kind of blurred together sometimes.

My main point still stands though. I believe based on everything that came out so far that the Democrats were using USAID, the DoD and whatever else is available to them to push propaganda and engage in all kinds of corruption and wasteful spending. That to me is clear as day and indisputable.

[Niya]

I feel like it's one you'd want to have if you have a genuine interest in dealing with corruption.

I feel like you'd want to have a conversation about how Musk makes $8 million dollars a day from government contracts if you have a genuine interest in dealing with corruption.

I feel like you'd want to have a conversation about how the State Department publicised that they were going to be buying $400 million worth of armoured Teslas then walked it back if you have a genuine interest in dealing with corruption.

I actually don't care that much about corruption in general. It's just the nature of the world. To borrow a phrase from Game of Thrones, I don't care what games "the high lords" play. You'd be hard pressed to find any billionaire or any politician of any political persuasion that has never engaged in corruption. It's just part of the game.

Here's the plain truth. I do not care if Musk engaged in corruption. I absolutely do not care one bit. If he did, I pray he gets away with it. As far as I'm concerned Elon Musk is a great man and I don't know of any great man who has never done dirt. I am certain he and Trump have both did their share of dirt.

The issue here is that I do not like liberals. I think they are nasty, vindictive and evil people and while that by itself is not enough to rouse me as there is no shortage of wicked people in the world, what really gets me about liberals is how they so adeptly dress up their wickedness as virtue. That makes them very dangerous in my opinion and I will cheer for any movement that brings about their downfall. I hope Trump and Musk grind their entire apparatus into the ground.

As for this USAID stuff happening now, like I said, Democrats and liberals market themselves as virtuous people who do no wrong so to see them being exposed for the frauds that they are brings great joy to my heart.

And here's another truth for you, I've never been under any illusions about Trump. I know what he is. He too is a great man but he is absolutely nuts. But to me, he is the right kind of crazy. He is the kind of crazy the world needs right now. His special brand of madness is what it took to defeat the radical left and I hope whoever takes up the mantle after him has been taking notes.

[PlausiblyDamp]

Here's the plain truth. I do not care if Musk engaged in corruption. I absolutely do not care one bit. If he did, I pray he gets away with it. As far as I'm concerned Elon Musk is a great man and I don't know of any great man who has never done dirt. I am certain he and Trump have both did their share of dirt.

And whatever Musk doth preach, thou shalt obey and spread his word!

Musk was an illegal immigrant who is now persecuting immigrants, he is a multibillionaire who spends his time picking on those less fortunate than himself, he is a blatant racist who did a Nazi salute at Trump's inauguration, he proclaims himself an advocate of free speech and then tries to throw his wealth and legal might against anyone who says things he doesn't like, he pretty much bought Twitter because he didn't like being told to stop spreading lies and being a racist, he turned Twitter into a platform of misinformation and hate speech, tried to sue companies for no longer advertising on Twitter after he told them to "F*** Off". Not getting the "great man" thing myself, but hey - if that is what inspires you to your one-side beliefs then go for it.

The issue here is that I do not like liberals. I think they are nasty, vindictive and evil people and while that by itself is not enough to rouse me as there is no shortage of wicked people in the world, what really gets me about liberals is how they so adeptly dress up their wickedness as virtue. That makes them very dangerous in my opinion and I will cheer for any movement that brings about their downfall. I hope Trump and Musk grind their entire apparatus into the ground.

So people wanting individuals to have more rights and freedoms are "nasty, vindictive and evil people" - yet those who preach hate aren't? Strange definition you have there. I suppose the true heroes are the billionaires driving up the cost of living, destroying the environment, and tearing down workers' rights - we should give them medals or something.

As for this USAID stuff happening now, like I said, Democrats and liberals market themselves as virtuous people who do no wrong so to see them being exposed for the frauds that they are brings great joy to my heart.

If you are going to believe everything you read on Twitter then obviously you are going to see a charity as a terrible thing.

And here's another truth for you, I've never been under any illusions about Trump. I know what he is. He too is a great man but he is absolutely nuts. But to me, he is the right kind of crazy. He is the kind of crazy the world needs right now. His special brand of madness is what it took to defeat the radical left and I hope whoever takes up the mantle after him has been taking notes.

Trump is a racist, a misogynist, a liar, a fraudster, an adulterer, and a sex offender - is that honestly your definition of a great man? So the world needs someone who will damage his own countries interests with tariffs, side with Russia and other dictators, give tax breaks to billionaire business men, try to claim Canada, Panama, and Greenland, change the law (in an attempt to eliminate Transgender people) that effectively made all Americans female (and ignored the existence of intersex people), increase the cost of living for American citizens, place unqualified people in senior job roles, and effectively sold the presidency to Musk.

[FunkyDexter]

the Democrats were using USAID

The way they managed to do it under the Trump presidency was particularly impressive...

Here's the plain truth. I do not care if Musk engaged in corruption. I absolutely do not care one bit. If he did, I pray he gets away with it. As far as I'm concerned Elon Musk is a great man and I don't know of any great man who has never done dirt. I am certain he and Trump have both did their share of dirt.

The issue here is that I do not like liberals.

Your hypocrisy is being laid bare.

is that honestly your definition of a great man?

You clearly haven't been paying attention, PD. The answer is yes.

[PlausiblyDamp]

You clearly haven't been paying attention, PD. The answer is yes.

I just don't understand the mentality of people who look at the likes of Trump and say despite everything he does which is wrong, and how he does things that will make my own life difficult to further his own ends, at least Transgender people will no longer be allowed to change their name - he gets my vote!

[Niya]

And whatever Musk doth preach, thou shalt obey and spread his word!

Musk was an illegal immigrant who is now persecuting immigrants, he is a multibillionaire who spends his time picking on those less fortunate than himself, he is a blatant racist who did a Nazi salute at Trump's inauguration, he proclaims himself an advocate of free speech and then tries to throw his wealth and legal might against anyone who says things he doesn't like, he pretty much bought Twitter because he didn't like being told to stop spreading lies and being a racist, he turned Twitter into a platform of misinformation and hate speech, tried to sue companies for no longer advertising on Twitter after he told them to "F*** Off". Not getting the "great man" thing myself, but hey - if that is what inspires you to your one-side beliefs then go for it.

So people wanting individuals to have more rights and freedoms are "nasty, vindictive and evil people" - yet those who preach hate aren't? Strange definition you have there. I suppose the true heroes are the billionaires driving up the cost of living, destroying the environment, and tearing down workers' rights - we should give them medals or something.


If you are going to believe everything you read on Twitter then obviously you are going to see a charity as a terrible thing.



Trump is a racist, a misogynist, a liar, a fraudster, an adulterer, and a sex offender - is that honestly your definition of a great man? So the world needs someone who will damage his own countries interests with tariffs, side with Russia and other dictators, give tax breaks to billionaire business men, try to claim Canada, Panama, and Greenland, change the law (in an attempt to eliminate Transgender people) that effectively made all Americans female (and ignored the existence of intersex people), increase the cost of living for American citizens, place unqualified people in senior job roles, and effectively sold the presidency to Musk.

I don't buy into any of that. Sorry. Let's just agree to disagree.

[Shaggy Hiker]

Oh Funky Funky Funky.
I thought it would be given out on "Caleb"

So better chew before you speak.

Yeah, I realized that you were quoting something, but I'm afraid it went right over my head. What's the reference?

[Niya]

I just don't understand the mentality of people who....

It may surprise you to know that you are every bit as incomprehensible to me as I am to you. What is happening here is a microcosm of what is happening in the US and across much of the first world. There was a time when we were more united by what we shared in common than we were divided by our differences. Somewhere along the line these differences became dogmatic and tolerance for these differences dwindled drastically. We are no longer willing to listen to each other and this is a very sad state of affairs and I don't know what the solution is. So I guess each side will have to duel it out until one or the other wins. History will decide which of us is right.

[sapator]

Yeah, I realized that you were quoting something, but I'm afraid it went right over my head. What's the reference?

Not a Tarantino fan hmm?

[PlausiblyDamp]

I don't buy into any of that. Sorry. Let's just agree to disagree.

So you don't buy into the truth that Musk was an illegal immigrant, did a Nazi salute, or that trump is a liar, fraudster, adulterer, and a sex offender?

[Niya]

So you don't buy into the truth that Musk was an illegal immigrant, did a Nazi salute, or that trump is a liar, fraudster, adulterer, and a sex offender?

Is that an actual question or just a statement disguised as a question?

[PlausiblyDamp]

Is that an actual question or just a statement disguised as a question?

It was an actual question, the things I listed are facts about Musk and Trump - I was honestly asking if that is what you don't buy into.

[wes4dbt]

So you don't buy into the truth that Musk was an illegal immigrant, did a Nazi salute, or that trump is a liar, fraudster, adulterer, and a sex offender?

It's not that he doesn't buy it, he is just willing to overlook it. They are his hero's because they act like they are against his boogie man, the liberal left. He doesn't realize the growing division between people is caused by people like Trump and Musk.

[wes4dbt]

I've been consuming a lot of information on this story so it's all kind of blurred together sometimes.

Are you actually doing research? It doesn't look like it. My guess is "your consuming" what's posted on X.

That's just a guess, I could be wrong.

[FunkyDexter]

Let's just agree to disagree.

No. To do that would require me to acknowledge that this:-

I do not care if Musk engaged in corruption. I absolutely do not care one bit. If he did, I pray he gets away with it. As far as I'm concerned Elon Musk is a great man

... is, on some level, a valid opinion.


Ladies and Gentleman of the right: your poster child. Thoughts?

[sapator]

I'm laughing my arse off.
Plau is actually fired the leftish question of Musk been a Nazi to, drum roll please, NIYA!
Except from the idiotic trap to catch Niya and accuse him of been a Nazi little did he know that Niya is actually black!
See how everyone else backed away on this? So yes he supports Musk, I dare you to call him a Nazi.Be a leftish racist, Go on!

And before you start hitting on me again.
https://www.c-span.org/clip/public-a...-niece/4860943
Biden shown to touch a little girls nipple. So are you against this gesture or are you covering a pedophile?
And then half will say that he did that and half will say it's not intentional.
See how it goes? So I guess I will be called a Nazi at some point, surprise me and don't do it. I did not speak of it last time but a lot of distant relatives of mine where slaying in Crete when the Nazis occupied it. Take that in consideration before the name calling.

But I'm most anxious to see plau accuse Niya of been a Nazi. That would be awesome...ly stupid.

Oh and have a great weekend and God bless America.

[FunkyDexter]

I didn't accuse him of being a Nazi. That was entirely your own projection.

[PlausiblyDamp]

I'm laughing my arse off.
Plau is actually fired the leftish question of Musk been a Nazi to, drum roll please, NIYA!
Except from the idiotic trap to catch Niya and accuse him of been a Nazi little did he know that Niya is actually black!
See how everyone else backed away on this? So yes he supports Musk, I dare you to call him a Nazi.Be a leftish racist, Go on!

And before you start hitting on me again.
https://www.c-span.org/clip/public-a...-niece/4860943
Biden shown to touch a little girls nipple. So are you against this gesture or are you covering a pedophile?
And then half will say that he did that and half will say it's not intentional.
See how it goes? So I guess I will be called a Nazi at some point, surprise me and don't do it. I did not speak of it last time but a lot of distant relatives of mine where slaying in Crete when the Nazis occupied it. Take that in consideration before the name calling.

But I'm most anxious to see plau accuse Niya of been a Nazi. That would be awesome...ly stupid.

Oh and have a great weekend and God bless America.

I know Niya is black, does that mean I am not allowed to ask if he supports someone doing the Nazi salute? If Niya is supporting a Nazi and nazi behaviour then he is complicit, the colour of a person's skin doesn't exempt them. So could you explain how that makes me a leftish racist, when you are saying a person's skin colour identifies their political beliefs.?

[sapator]

Not you Funky.
Yes he supports that and says it was accidental. Go on...

[sapator]

Hurry please I'm going on a weekend vacation.

[PlausiblyDamp]

Not you Funky.
Yes he supports that and says it was accidental. Go on...

If you honestly think a person can accidentally do two nazi salutes, not a gesture similar to a Nazi salute but an actual nazi salute then you are probably willing to forgive him anything he does.

[FunkyDexter]

Oh, I see. You were saying PD accused him of being a Nazi. I mean, he didn't... and anyone can read back in the thread to verify that.

Between the two of you you're doing a dandy job of showing just how inconsistent, ill informed and generally hypocritical the cult of Trump and Musk currently is.

I'll say again what I've said many times before. There are good reasons to praise Musk's achievements. There are good reasons to support Trump. I don't adhere to either of those arguments but I recognise and acknowledge them. That's politics. But when you're presented with Nazi salutes and advocation for ethnic cleansing and find yourself unable to criticise it, I'm pretty sure that means you're in a cult... or worse.

[sapator]

Yes but we are not talking about me right now. Don't try to slide your way out. Niya thinks it was accidental, what do you say to him? Do you have any name calling? Any remarks? If not it's 9:53 I'm packing in 5 minutes and I'm waiting for you to comment on Niya obscure belief. Will you comment or can I go?

[sapator]

Not Funky. Actually still waiting for a Greece visit and I'll bet you 100% we will talk about this and laugh.

Gotta go.

[FunkyDexter]

Niya thinks it was accidental, what do you say to him?

1. Niya hasn't said that as far as I'm aware. He's simply avoided responding to it.

2. If he did say that I'd say he was acting as an apologist for Neo Nazism.

[Shaggy Hiker]

Not a Tarantino fan hmm?

I've seen most of what he's made, but I have to admit that it has been several years....more years than I'd like, probably. Which film is it?