Israel?

[Shaggy Hiker]

They don't just have to take control away from Hamas, they have to take it away from the current PLA, as well. They HAVE a government, it's just horrible.

[wes4dbt]

They don't just have to take control away from Hamas, they have to take it away from the current PLA, as well. They HAVE a government, it's just horrible.

I don't know if there can be any change happening for a long time. Right now my guess is most are preoccupied with just surviving day to day. Over coming such mass destruction probably feels overwhelming.

[wes4dbt]

I was thinking about this and the thought of a UN peace keeping force with a buffer came to mind. Not that Israel would accept that.

But didn't we have one in place a long time ago or am I thinking of somewhere else. Don't remember if it was effective either.

[xiaoyao]

????????6??The wind outside is very strong, and it will freeze in two days.

[wes4dbt]

I saw a headline saying crowds of joyous Palestinians were heading back to northern Gaza. I hope humanitarian aid is following them because there is nothing there but destruction. No water, bathrooms, housing, food. Just mainly rubble.

[TysonLPrice]

I saw a headline saying crowds of joyous Palestinians were heading back to northern Gaza. I hope humanitarian aid is following them because there is nothing there but destruction. No water, bathrooms, housing, food. Just mainly rubble.

Trump wants to just level it and use it for other purposes. Who said he couldn't make it worse for them?

[TysonLPrice]

Trump proposes U.S. take over Gaza...

I guess that will be an improvement. He said he will make it the "'Riviera of the Middle East'". One day he wants to level it and the next day own it and develop it.

[FunkyDexter]

Yeah, and that's literally ethnic cleansing. He's gone full blown fascist.

[Shaggy Hiker]

I don't think Trump counts as fascist on that one. He had the same view about North Korea last time around, so he's being pretty consistent on this: Find a beach, build a resort, consequences are for minions to worry about.

[FunkyDexter]

I can't speak to North Korea because I don't know the background but what he's talking about in Gaza is the forcible removal of all Gazans. That's the dictionary definition of ethnic cleansing. (N.b. people often confuse ethnic cleansing with genocide but they're not the same thing). His plans to build a resort on it aren't part of that equation.

[wes4dbt]

I don't think Trump counts as fascist on that one. He had the same view about North Korea last time around, so he's being pretty consistent on this: Find a beach, build a resort, consequences are for minions to worry about.

Yeah, Trump doesn't really consider the consequences to other people, it's not his problem. This is a great description of how he thinks,

consequences are for minions to worry about.

Or doesn't care to think about.

[Shaggy Hiker]

Yes, it would be ethnic cleansing, but I doubt he's thinking of it that way. He's never much cared who got hurt by his development ventures. He sees beachfront property and tries to figure out how to run it into bankruptcy.

[TysonLPrice]

It has only been a few weeks and look at the turmoil...buckle up!

[FunkyDexter]

I doubt he's thinking of it that way

I appreciate we're arguing semantics rather than substance but I don't believe how he thinks about it is relevant to whether or not he actually is it. Or maybe it is, if you view it purely as a political philosophy.

But I think it might be moot now, though I'm not sure. I though I overheard him walking it back on the news this morning and saying (something to the effect of) "not at this time". I just had a quick google, though, and couldn't find it it. Lots of references to his officials walking it back but nothing about him doing it so I may have misheard it.

[Shaggy Hiker]

He's walking up and walking back on pretty much everything.

[wes4dbt]

He's walking up and walking back on pretty much everything.

It must be a nightmare to work for Trump and having to find ways to cover up the insanely improper things he says.

[TysonLPrice]

He's walking up and walking back on pretty much everything.

The post office stopped handling small packages from China for a bit. The US ended a policy that allowed small packages worth $800 (£641) or less to be sent to America without paying taxes or fees. That created quite a mess. They "walked" it right back and the post office is delivering them now. But they are not giving up, they want that tariff money.

[Shaggy Hiker]

The post office stopped handling small packages from China for a bit.

That's almost against the AUP

[FunkyDexter]

I though I overheard him walking it back on the news this morning and saying (something to the effect of) "not at this time".

Seems like I was wrong about this because he clearly hasn't walked it back so I'm not sure what it was that I heard. His team have been back peddling faster than Lance Armstrong on some particularly effective steroids but it seems like the Big T is still all in. I'll put it down to my own affirmation bias from have watched him do the Hokey Kokey for the last two weeks.

[wes4dbt]

Seems like I was wrong about this because he clearly hasn't walked it back so I'm not sure what it was that I heard. His team have been back peddling faster than Lance Armstrong on some particularly effective steroids but it seems like the Big T is still all in. I'll put it down to my own affirmation bias from have watched him do the Hokey Kokey for the last two weeks.

Well, I've seen him dance at his rallies and he is a wonderful dancer.

The US is getting ready to send another 7 billion in weapons to Israel so they will be well stocked when they decide to start attacking Gaza again. It appears that Hamas is still in charge in Gaza so I don't see the the rebuilding of Gaza happening. Probably more destruction and increased suffering for the Palestinians to come.

[TysonLPrice]

Trump says if all the Israeli hostages are not released by Saturday Israel should unleash hell. How much worse are they going to make it? How about just gassing them all?

[wes4dbt]

It's to bad that most the US media/politicians continues to mainly frame the Gaza problem about the hostages and the terrible people that took them. What you rarely hear about is the 100's to 1,000's (I've never heard the number but has to be large because of the hundreds of Palestinians Israel has release in exchange for a few hostages) of Palestinians held in Israeli prisons. Many without any charges. Where are the stories about them and their families that want them back. Hostage and held in prison without charges, seems basically the same to me.

[FunkyDexter]

It's to bad that most the US media/politicians continues to mainly frame the Gaza problem about the hostages and the terrible people that took them

I think that's different in the UK. We do hear both sides but I think I would say that the UK coverage slants somewhat to the pro-Palestine. We don't hear much about Palestinian prisoners but we do hear a lot about the atrocities being carried out in Palestine.

[TysonLPrice]

That's almost against the AUP

I've always had the impression you count fish for the government, said with real respect, has your department's funding been cut by DOGE?

[FunkyDexter]

True fact: many fish species can spontaneously change sex. Do with that what you will but I reckon Shaggy's safe as long as he's not counting those ones.

[wes4dbt]

True fact: many fish species can spontaneously change sex. Do with that what you will but I reckon Shaggy's safe as long as he's not counting those ones.

hmm, was there a message in there???

[TysonLPrice]

I don't think so but it sounds fishy. It spawns thought I guess... I might not be catching what is under the surface though. Too deep for me.
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[Shaggy Hiker]

True fact: many fish species can spontaneously change sex. Do with that what you will but I reckon Shaggy's safe as long as he's not counting those ones.

Oh it gets worse than that. Not only do some fish change genders, but LOTS of fish mate across species.

Those fish, they just don't stay in their lanes like their supposed to.

Other than that, DOGE is not directly impacting me, just people around me. Trump doesn't like to take the time to understand any problems. He goes for the quick and uninformed answer to any problem. When it comes to fish, it's a bit hard to say which way he'd jump, especially now. He could do damage, he might do something good, but ultimately he probably can't keep his mind on one thing long enough to really accomplish anything one way or another.

[wes4dbt]

but LOTS of fish mate across species.

With the way males fertilized eggs wouldn't that tend to happen because of the nature of flowing water? Or is it know to be intentional? Maybe just bad aim or eye site.

[TysonLPrice]

He could do damage, he might do something good, but ultimately he probably can't keep his mind on one thing long enough to really accomplish anything one way or another.

The "leader" of the free world

Just one month into it...

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/classro...ps-second-term

[FunkyDexter]

LOTS of fish mate across species.

From the look of some of the night clubs round my way I'm pretty sure that's happening here.

[Shaggy Hiker]

With the way males fertilized eggs wouldn't that tend to happen because of the nature of flowing water? Or is it know to be intentional? Maybe just bad aim or eye site.

Yeah, we aren't known for our aim.

Other than that, it is intentional...as long as you attribute intention to fish. I suppose there are layers to that one.

[wes4dbt]

Anyone else get the feeling that as soon as Israel gets back it's hostages they will resume destroying Gaza and killing Palestinians??

The only major push back the government got from Israeli's was from people wanting to get the hostages back.

[TysonLPrice]

Anyone else get the feeling that as soon as Israel gets back it's hostages they will resume destroying Gaza and killing Palestinians??

The only major push back the government got from Israeli's was from people wanting to get the hostages back.

Now that Trump has their back I'm betting the West Bank is next.

[wes4dbt]

The details aren't listed on who pays what,

https://currently.att.yahoo.com/news...120108228.html

But even if Israel doesn't have to pay a dime, I don't think they will accept the plan. Israel seems determined to continue the destruction of Gaza.

[wes4dbt]

Israel's killing spree is going strong again. https://apnews.com/article/israel-pa...d99275f52868a5

The White House says it was consulted and agreed with the Israeli plans. Shame on us.

I new Trumps didn't care about Palestinian life but I am also disappointed in the rest of the world for not doing much more than wag their finger at Israel and say shame shame.

Then again I'm not sure what else they can do unless they are willing to put boots on the ground against Israel. I don't see that happening.

[Shaggy Hiker]

Trump probably figures that sand is easier to smooth for a new building than rubble.

[sapator]

Let me remind that the same was said about Biden so don't Trumpatize everything . Someone sneezes it's Trumps fault. Stop been so biased you would hurt you cholesterol .

[wes4dbt]

Let me remind that the same was said about Biden so don't Trumpatize everything . Someone sneezes it's Trumps fault. Stop been so biased you would hurt you cholesterol .

I didn't give Biden or the US a free pass with their lack of action against Israel. This is what's happening now and Trump is in charge.

Or is your opinion that two wrongs make a right?

[sapator]

No I'm not taking sides as I have stopped researching after a while.
So to be clear you are anti Israel anti antisemitism ?