Post election prediction

[FunkyDexter]

Definitely something nefarious happened. lol

Kamala should refuse to certify... she has the power to do that right? I know because Trump told me so.

[sapator]

Kamala ist kaputt
Also Biden is the president Kamala was just a wheel on the Wokers... But...It's game over now.

[FunkyDexter]

Also Biden is the president Kamala

Yes, but Kamala is the vice president and, 4 years ago, Trump made it very clear that the vice president can refuse to certify the election if they suspect fraud. Given the low turnout of Dem voters the only rational conclusion is that Trump and the Deep State must have intercepted Dem votes and disposed of them. So Kamala can and should refuse to certify.

(N.b. this is not meant as a sensible suggestion but does expose the hypocrisy)

[sapator]

Are you serious or joking? I can't make out.

[FunkyDexter]

I'd have though writing "this is not meant as a sensible suggestion" would have given a clue

[sapator]

It would. But I haven't read it, I fell on the floor rattling on the first few lines
..
Plus the site was on 504 continuously so I was only light reading.

[TysonLPrice]

Yes, but Kamala is the vice president and, 4 years ago, Trump made it very clear that the vice president can refuse to certify the election if they suspect fraud. Given the low turnout of Dem voters the only rational conclusion is that Trump and the Deep State must have intercepted Dem votes and disposed of them. So Kamala can and should refuse to certify.

(N.b. this is not meant as a sensible suggestion but does expose the hypocrisy)

They closed that loop hole.

[Shaggy Hiker]

Aw, geez... it was almost four years ago so I don't remember the specifics, but look up Biden's executive order #7 and it went on from there.

That can't be right. I went looking for Biden's executive orders and came across this page, which lists them in order. #7 sure doesn't seem likely to be what you are talking about. Perhaps #8, or #24?

[Shaggy Hiker]

What it is? Something like 15 million D votes that miraculously evaporated between 2020 and 2024?

Yeah it seems unlikely people just stayed home.

Why?

[Shaggy Hiker]

OMG with questioning everything!
He left- he fired - the guy on the elections day. Dammit!

So what? That was far from the start of the issues with that coalition. The guy refused to back his budget, or something like that. Should he have waited for the sake of appearance? Should he have fired him earlier? Were there negotiations, or a single refusal, and if so, when?

I am fully aware that such a move could be 'tactical', but it doesn't HAVE to be, and even if it was tactical, I can see a better argument against the reason you seem to think it was done...though I'm not quite clear on what that reason is, so I could be misunderstanding your reasoning.

[Shaggy Hiker]

Plus the site was on 504 continuously so I was only light reading.

Yeah, that's part of the plot.

[sapator]

So what? That was far from the start of the issues with that coalition. The guy refused to back his budget, or something like that. Should he have waited for the sake of appearance? Should he have fired him earlier? Were there negotiations, or a single refusal, and if so, when?

I am fully aware that such a move could be 'tactical', but it doesn't HAVE to be, and even if it was tactical, I can see a better argument against the reason you seem to think it was done...though I'm not quite clear on what that reason is, so I could be misunderstanding your reasoning.

I'm gonna have to say, pass. Since the coincidence is very apparent so, yeah, the will probably have elections in 15 Jan and will see what happen.

[sapator]

Yeah, that's part of the plot.

Haven't thought of that. Good catch!

[Shaggy Hiker]

I'm gonna have to say, pass. Since the coincidence is very apparent so, yeah, the will probably have elections in 15 Jan and will see what happen.

The coalition is going to get clobbered, nobody will want to side with AFD, there will be a whole lot of negotiations, lots of color patterns will be discussed, etc.

[wes4dbt]

Actually the vote count will probably be pretty close to 2020. I just looked an there are still a lot of uncounted votes.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/202...sident-results

For some reason CA is only at 60%. That's a lot of votes left to count.

[sapator]

Will there be any significance?

[wes4dbt]

Will there be any significance?

Only on the House of Representatives. There are still 29 seats not called. But it looks fairly certain the GOP will maintain the majority.

[Shaggy Hiker]

Yeah, it could end up rising quite a bit, or not. I guess we'll have to wait and see. I'm a bit doubtful that some of those sites are being all that prompt with their updates, but there is no reason to think that wouldn't impact every number on their site equally.

[TysonLPrice]

"The five stages of grief are denial, anger, bargaining, depression, and acceptance. This model is often attributed to Elisabeth Kübler-Ross. However, the stages of grief are not linear and can be experienced in different orders, or not at all.

https://www.google.com/search?q=stag...grief&gs_ivs=1

As far as the five stages I skipped right over denial. I'm still angry that so many low informed people set the course of the nation and the world. No sense bargaining, its over. I'm still in the depression stage, that may last a while. And acceptance, I'm strapped in and ready for the ride.

[dilettante]

Radical Left ACTIVATES Anti Trump Protests, Trump Goes to Work



How many of you got your incitement to riot emails "from AOC?"

Fascism on the march.

[homer13j]

That can't be right. I went looking for Biden's executive orders and came across this page, which lists them in order. #7 sure doesn't seem likely to be what you are talking about. Perhaps #8, or #24?

It's #6 on that list. Here's the full text of the order:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-...limate-crisis/

[wes4dbt]

Radical Left ACTIVATES Anti Trump Protests, Trump Goes to Work



How many of you got your incitement to riot emails "from AOC?"

Fascism on the march.

The few protest there has been are like Sunday School Meeting compared to what the Trump supporters did in 2020. Where was your cries of Fascism then??? Did you forget about their angry protest(significantly more than this time), death threats, the assault on Congress, fake electors ....

You have a poor memory or your just being hypocritical.

[Shaggy Hiker]

It's #6 on that list. Here's the full text of the order:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-...limate-crisis/

Interesting. I need to read more of these, as they're kind of cool. I spent an hour or two reading through a few of them from both Trump and Biden, not necessarily related to anything. There is more going on through executive actions than I was aware. Mostly, we hear about the ones that end up in court. LOADS of them are not controversial at all, but it's interesting thinking about what led up to them. Since there is a photo-op of pretty nearly every signing, these are far from casually crafted or signed. That means a whole lot of time went into them, behind the scenes, before that photo-op became possible.

As for that one, you did kind of say that it was just the start of a longer process. That order, itself, doesn't do anything that would impact gas prices in the near term. Some might impact the prices eventually, such as changing rules for the north slope and Bering Sea, but the last time I heard about those, most test wells were coming up dry, and estimates of what was up there got scaled way back as a result. Still, any drilling up there would be only a long-term change in the supply of a publicly traded commodity. Nothing in that rule appears to have any near term (within a year or two) impact on gas prices.

[Shaggy Hiker]

Fascism on the march.

Fascism in the White House, starting in January.

[wes4dbt]

As for that one, you did kind of say that it was just the start of a longer process. That order, itself, doesn't do anything that would impact gas prices in the near term. Some might impact the prices eventually, such as changing rules for the north slope and Bering Sea, but the last time I heard about those, most test wells were coming up dry, and estimates of what was up there got scaled way back as a result. Still, any drilling up there would be only a long-term change in the supply of a publicly traded commodity. Nothing in that rule appears to have any near term (within a year or two) impact on gas prices.

If I remember right (big IF) the oil companies were blaming the price hike on lack of refining capacity due to shutting down some facilities because of the lack of demand during COVID. It seem to take them a long time restart them. It felt like a fair amount of just price gouging.

People seem to forget the US exports more oil than it imports.

https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/...Fd%20in%202022.

You got to wonder how much longer we can keep sucking so much oil out of the ground.

[wes4dbt]

Fascism in the White House, starting in January.

Certainly will be much closer than we have been. Though I don't see Trump as a true fascist. But I'd say he is capable of becoming one.

Just my opinion, I had to actually look up the actual meaning. lol

People do like to throw that term around.

[Shaggy Hiker]

Dil gave it to us, but it fits his party better, so I gave it back. One shouldn't be greedy, after all.

[FunkyDexter]

It does irritate me when people misuse these terms for two reasons:-

1. It gets in the way of meaningful debate and I think that capability is something we REALLY need to hang on to lately. Things are polarized enough without shutting down discussion.

2. It validates when others do it. And, honestly, the right has been FAR worse for name calling than the left. The name calling from the left is typically political (e.g. fascist) which the right does as well (seeing Biden called a communist always makes me laugh) but the right also extends to deeply personal like paedophile, groomer, antichrist etc - these are far worse insults. I do think there were a few characters on the left that went too far with comparisons to Nazis and Hitler but these comparisons mostly started with ex Trump staffers so I feel the outrage around them was misdirected.

If the right want to be offended at name calling they should look in the mirror first. You know when you get all offended by Biden calling you "trash"? Well that offence loses a whole lot of credibility when you just laughed at ya' boy calling an entire ethnicity trash.

Also, while I'm at it, can people please look up what Neo-Liberal means. Because you just elected one. He's highly unlikely to save you from that particular boogy man.


Edit> It's also possible I'm just an extreme pedant.

[dilettante]

It's time to put your Big Boy Pants on and start facing reality.


For example, take a hard look inside the actual 3rd Reich and see what policies were forced upon the people in Germany, Austria, and beyond. Plenty of survivors went on record, the books and video are all out there. You can't get more "left" than what went on there.


Trump comes away from 2024 as the most popular President-elect in modern history, close to rivaling if not exceeding Ronald Reagan (which, by the way, made me gag when it occurred). He has over 5 million more "popular votes" than Harris and 312 Electoral votes.

Not to mention Congressional wins.

And now it is clear that even California has rejected Gavin Newsom, rolling back the Soros-picked DAs and other corrupt officials. Shoplifting is now a crime again. Drug penalties increased, including in some cases murder charges. Pro-criminal policies have been reversed across the board. And that's even before the foot-dragging vote count is complete.


Now we have a handful of rogue States screwing over their own citizens in an inane "resistance" collusion to maintain illegal immigration. That's how bad the culture of TDS has gotten. Let the Gubernatorial recalls begin!


It is morning in America. People have awakened and brought the benefits of sane public policy back. You're welcome.

[wes4dbt]

Dil gave it to us, but it fits his party better, so I gave it back. One shouldn't be greedy, after all.

My response wasn't aimed at you. Wasn't aim at anybody really.

[sapator]

I don't care much for calling fascists, it was brought up as a "joke" with the "confrontation" I had with Funky.
I know what fascists from Italy back in wwII wanted to do to Greece (they got pommeled tho from left right up and down people with their ideologies ) and I also got relatives that their fathers fought fascism. So it amazes me when it is used so lightly and allowed here but, meh.
You boys are the only ones left crawing at Trump, so be it, it's game over you just haven't realized it yet. So until we get the first taste in January everything that might or might not be done by him is pure speculations and (rightful or wrongful) fear. I offered some means to get over it back in a couple of posts (yoga etc), it will do you good to try some, else you will have 4 years of ill stomach. They choice of course is yours.
Have a great patriotic weekend and God save America.

[wes4dbt]

Trump comes away from 2024 as the most popular President-elect in modern history, close to rivaling if not exceeding Ronald Reagan (which, by the way, made me gag when it occurred). He has over 5 million more "popular votes" than Harris and 312 Electoral votes.

You astound me with ease at which you make false statements. I can't tell if it's from delusions or some other need you have to satisfy.

Trump is a long way from the over 81million votes Biden got in 2020 and he beat Trump by 7million votes. That said, I don't think that makes Biden the most popular president-elect in modern history.
btw - Obama got 365 electoral votes in 2008, 332 in 2012. That's modern history. If you go back to 1984, Reagan got 525.

[wes4dbt]

it's game over you just haven't realized it yet

Realized what?? You certainly can't be talking about the election because no one here has refused to accept the election results.

[OptionBase1]

If the right want to be offended at name calling they should look in the mirror first. You know when you get all offended by Biden calling you "trash"? Well that offence loses a whole lot of credibility when you just laughed at ya' boy calling an entire ethnicity trash.

Out of curiosity, have you actually seen the video of this lame joke? Barely anyone in the crowd laughed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPoiXxSAY9k

[Shaggy Hiker]

Trump comes away from 2024 as the most popular President-elect in modern history, close to rivaling if not exceeding Ronald Reagan (which, by the way, made me gag when it occurred). He has over 5 million more "popular votes" than Harris and 312 Electoral votes.

Nope, he's still going to end up with far fewer votes than Biden, even if he manages to top his 2020 vote total. Also, the gap between the two in the popular vote is down to around 4 million, and is likely to drop even further. It might even reverse. The states that still have a substantial outstanding ballot count are large population, strongly blue, states.

Of course, he'll claim that it is due to fraud, but that's stupid. It would require the flawless, airtight, collusion of thousands of people, some of them Republicans, across several states, coupled with a level of conservative incompetence that I wouldn't credit them with.

[Shaggy Hiker]

Realized what?? You certainly can't be talking about the election because no one here has refused to accept the election results.

In the aftermath of every presidential election in the last four or five decades, the party that win made claims that they had an unassailable mandate that would keep them in power forever. Cheney even talked about a "permanent Republican majority".

This was an economic election. Trump has the morals and character of a pig, and most people acknowledge that, even those that voted for him, but they still felt he would bring them better economic times. He's the only president to have never had an approval rating that reached 50% since measurement began.

If he trashes the economy, the way he has promised to do, he'll tank just as he did last time.

However, when it comes to "game over", that's what people are afraid of. Trump has talked about subverting democracy, as have the people around him.

[dilettante]

Trump is a long way from the over 81million votes Biden got in 2020 and he beat Trump by 7million votes.

"Popularity" is by fraction of the Popular vote.

Biden? That was a joke. 20 million missing voters now? Where did these Biden voters come from (and then go). Or ignoring that, exit polling never jibed with the "official" vote. But ignore that too.

1980 Reagan 50.7%
2020 Biden 51.3%
2024 Trump 50.7* (52.5% estimated, votes still being counted, California dragging its feet VERY hard)

[OptionBase1]

In the aftermath of every presidential election in the last four or five decades, the party that win made claims that they had an unassailable mandate that would keep them in power forever. Cheney even talked about a "permanent Republican majority".

Indeed. And everyone on both sides seems to always have complete amnesia about this as well. The pendulum keeps swinging. People are saying JD Vance is set up for 8 years after Trump's term, which seems very, very unlikely to me. Almost certainly the next president will be a Democrat, and the next mid-term probably trends Blue again.

[dilettante]

I hope you got a good price on that Copium prescription.

[wes4dbt]

"Popularity" is by fraction of the Popular vote.

If you want to judge by that then ok, but you would still be wrong.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Uni...esults-1788863
https://www.statista.com/statistics/...nt-since-1789/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ar_vote_margin

Biden? That was a joke. 20 million missing voters now? Where did these Biden voters come from (and then go). Or ignoring that, exit polling never jibed with the "official" vote. But ignore that too.

What 20million? Right now the count is 142+ million, in 2020 it was 155+ million. Is that a 20 million difference?
The 142 is going to increase significantly. CA is only at @ 66%, AZ at 78%, WA at 79%. The popular vote will end up being very close to 2020, maybe more.

It's clear you still have your head stuck down the voter fraud rabbit hole. Probably pretty dark in there.