Corona virus, China major city lockdowns, etc.

[Niya]

Oh and one their favorites, your views are shaped by CNN and Wikipedia.

Yep. Americans were actually gullible enough to believe that America invaded Iraq to give the Iraqi people freedom.

[wes4dbt]

Yep. Americans were actually gullible enough to believe that America invaded Iraq to give the Iraqi people freedom.

I'd say not many. The main selling point was Weapons of Mass Destruction and getting rid of Saddam Hussein. But those claims didn't originate from CNN. The news media was happy to prove that was a lie. You really don't seem to have a very clear understanding of Americans. Scepticism is alive and well here in the US.

But that really is not the point. You made that statement to SH,

There are things CNN won't tell you and things you won't find on Wikipedia.

Did you think he didn't know that or that's what he uses to shape his views? Actually there probably isn't very much they wont tell you once it's clear they can't avoid the facts that other news agencies are reporting. And there are a lot of competing news agencies here. They work hard at pointing out each other misrepresentation.

[Schmidt]

...there are a lot of competing news agencies here.
They work hard at pointing out each other misrepresentation.

How naive can one be?
There is no real competition anymore among anything.

The news-channels are all owned by the same big corporations.

"Opposing views" are allowed (in some cases even "scripted") - at the lower, "unimportant levels".
Same with politics and "topics discussed at parlament- or senat-levels".

It's all "one big theater", one big show, where "our democracy works" is proven -
because you are allowed to vote-for or discuss about things like: "the 54th gender-pronoun".

The real important decisions are made by corporations these days, wake up folks...

Olaf

[wes4dbt]

These news-corporations are all owned by the same big corporations.

So Turner and Murdoch are the same corporation or is more of your conspiracy theory?

btw - this has to be the number one saying you here from the conspiracy theorists,

How naive can one be?

Come on, you can do better than that. Don't just phone it in.

[wes4dbt]

Really, you give way to much credit to the power of CNN or Fox or whatever. Unless their job is tied to politics or the news industry or they are over 55 most of the population doesn't spend much time on any of them. I sure didn't, I was to busy with work, family and play. Now that I'm old, retired and my family is all grown, I got time. I guess I don't play as much either, that sucks.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...iewership-usa/

[Schmidt]

So Turner and Murdoch are the same corporation ...

You have to look at the big ShareHolders.

E.g. BlackRock being just a single one of them, with an AUM of currently about $10 trillion.

Compared to these giants, "Murdoch" or "Turner"(Warner) are "small fish".

So again, "how naive can one be"?

Olaf

[baka]

I see a dilemma here.

- if media and history is controlled by Cabal (one family is Rothschild) how can we know for sure what is right or wrong?
- if Qanon and right-wing are creating a conspiracy where "Cabal" is the ultimate enemy and everything is fabricated. yet again, tons of information that is false, how can we differentiate from truth and lies.
- what is this pandemic? created, a mistake or natural?
- agenda 2030/2050, tells of a beautiful future, but it will require our total submission and our freedom. something we want?
- theres tons of criminal events , and all media is telling you its conspiracy. is it so or are everything covered?
- Epstein. conventionally he committed suicide (or did he?) but we know that a lot of powerful people visited him. coincidence?

this is the problem. theres no 100% sureness in anything.
it can be anything.

but if you dismiss the possibility of a cover up (that we know from history, theres tons of cover-ups) you are yet again letting the powerful get away with whatever agenda they have.
but if its all conspiracy, we are being fooled, but for what reason? to blame the Rothschild? I mean, ok, we can hate them, but theres nothing we can do about it.
sure, we could say, Biden and others are controlled by them, so what? vote Trump?

so is this all Trump's doing? he is the mastermind of all the conspiracy going on? he is the evil incarnate. maybe he is. but we can not be 100% sure.

theres tons of information. absorbing, truth or lies doesnt matter, since we don't know for sure.
but overall, its tons of stuff, from many many many sources, and putting it together we get a sum.

we could say its a formula.
A1+A2-B1+A3-B2-B3 and so no, where A=theres an agenda that want to control you B=theres no agenda, theres only fake-news by people trying to fool you.

and thats whats happening for me.
I get tons of sources from everywhere and right now the A (theres an agenda behind all this) is leading. but Im not saying its 100% truth, because Im not 100% sure.

[digitalShaman]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D70kZDLGr4Q

[TysonLPrice]

Ahh, we are now entering interesting waters and this topic may well be the root cause for all this madness we are currently going through. The great reset. The current financial system is at the end of its lifespan. Does anybody really think that all the country debt can be paid back at some point in the future? The system was close to its collapse shortly before the pandemic and only by “printing” huge amounts of new money, allegedly to soften the impact of the pandemic, it was possible to buy some more time.
The fiat monetary system, implemented by Nixon unilaterally, is the reason for prospering 1st worlds and suffering 3rd worlds. If we, the 1st worlds, would pay other countries in fair money, we would, over time, lower our living standards and improving theirs.
Some theories also link the aforementioned JFK assassination with Executive Order 11110 which is about silver certificates.
At the time Nixon abandoned the gold standard, the US had probably printed a lot more dollars than they had gold in their reserves and thus cheating on every other nation that parted in Bretton Woods. The rest of the world accepted this with gritted teeth.

The US effectively got off the gold standard in 1933. Nixon changed the rules for foreign countries.

https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/...-gold-standard

[wes4dbt]

You have to look at the big ShareHolders.

E.g. BlackRock being just a single one of them, with an AUM of currently about $10 trillion.

Compared to these giants, "Murdoch" or "Turner"(Warner) are "small fish".

So again, "how naive can one be"?

Olaf

The problem is Blackrock isn't one person, it's an investment management firm. How many of those investors are bigger than Murdoch or Turner. Then you have the problem of all the major investors secretly agreeing on one narrative and no ever leaking that secret out.

How naive can you be? lol

Anyway your posts are fun to read so knock yourself out.

[wes4dbt]

I get tons of sources from everywhere and right now the A (theres an agenda behind all this) is leading. but Im not saying its 100% truth, because Im not 100% sure.

Yeah, it all opinions. I don't think there's one agenda, there's nothing from history that would lead me to believe you could get all the people in power to agree on the same thing. Someone would always feel someone else is getting the best of it. I don't think there's one truth about the world, it's changes constantly.

[digitalShaman]

The US effectively got off the gold standard in 1933. Nixon changed the rules for foreign countries.

https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/...-gold-standard

Well thats quibbling. The dollar was still bound to gold at a fixed rate. Even though that rate was later increased, it enforced appropriate frugal policy. however, the fact that this rate later had to be increased and Nixon finally dropping it completely were already symptoms of living beyond means.

[Niya]

How naive can one be?
There is no real competition anymore among anything.

The news-channels are all owned by the same big corporations.

"Opposing views" are allowed (in some cases even "scripted") - at the lower, "unimportant levels".
Same with politics and "topics discussed at parlament- or senat-levels".

It's all "one big theater", one big show, where "our democracy works" is proven -
because you are allowed to vote-for or discuss about things like: "the 54th gender-pronoun".

The real important decisions are made by corporations these days, wake up folks...

Olaf

This man gets it.

[Niya]

You really don't seem to have a very clear understanding of Americans.

Oh I understand Americans better than you know. You can believe that.

[dilettante]

It begins to feel like a return to feudalism, but on a larger scale. A small ruling class dividing the world into dutchies while banding together to collude or compete over resources. All propped up by vast masses struggling under levels of taxation and tribute paid upward that severely limit "upward mobility" out of the hand to mouth economics of the meek.

[Shaggy Hiker]

Yep. Americans were actually gullible enough to believe that America invaded Iraq to give the Iraqi people freedom.

I don't know anybody who thought that. I don't even remember either side, for or against attacking Iraq, who stated that as even a secondary goal.

Technically, though, you are somewhat right if you substitute democracy for freedom in that statement. One of the neo-con principles was that setting up one stable democracy in that area would cause all the other countries to see how much better it was and follow on. Iraq, which was largely secular in their view, seemed like the best opportunity. That was always wishful thinking, and I don't think even the most ardent neo-con stated that position openly, so I don't even know whether it really was one of their beliefs, or was just reported to be one of their beliefs, nor do I know how strongly they held that belief if it really was one.

Still, even if you are very generous, that would mean that only a small subset of political leaders believed that, and they didn't talk about it much.

[sapator]

I don't know anybody who thought that. I don't even remember either side, for or against attacking Iraq, who stated that as even a secondary goal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amFRTRMBk1A

I don't know if there is a global conspiracy or whatever but if I where the conspirator, I wouldn't have found a better time to do so, than now.
But clearly from what we experience this far, you can't really say that we have democracy. I'm currently locked inside (no matter that I give them the finger and go out anyway) because I didn't do an experimental vaccine by force to protect myself(myself mind you, not others) from something that is less lethal than flu.

[Shaggy Hiker]

It begins to feel like a return to feudalism, but on a larger scale. A small ruling class dividing the world into dutchies while banding together to collude or compete over resources. All propped up by vast masses struggling under levels of taxation and tribute paid upward that severely limit "upward mobility" out of the hand to mouth economics of the meek.

Possibly.

The one goal appears to be 'making money'. To that extent, I agree with Olaf that it's all the same. Different people have different strategies as to how to make money, but the goal is to gain wealth without end...and without purpose.

That will always happen, though, and not just with wealth. In the spectrum of the population, there will always be some small slice that focuses on one type of value to the exclusion of all else. For example, professional athletes in the big money sports, aren't necessarily the best athletes in the world. They ARE very very good, but that isn't sufficient. They also have to be VERY dedicated to perfecting their abilities to the needs of the sport they have chosen. There are also very good athletes who have other interests, don't dedicate the time necessary, and don't end up in professional sports.

Similarly, I know of people who have so utterly focused on hiking that they've walked astonishing numbers of miles (one guy is probably in the 40,000 to 50,000 mile range, and possibly even higher). I do a LOT of hiking. I hiker FAR more than anybody else that I know well, but I haven't topped 9,000 miles, yet (might get there this summer, I need to count). To reach that 40K level, you need to be hiking 2,000 miles/year for 20 years. A hike like that will generally take most people about six months. The guy I mention is not hiking faster than that, so he's probably dedicated half of each year to hiking for 20-25 years. Think of all the things he is NOT doing if he's just hiking all that time.

Similarly, some people are JUST pursuing wealth. They likely started at a high level, but then they pursued wealth with the same focus as that guy pursued miles.

But think of all the things they are NOT doing because they have just pursued wealth. No matter what you focus on, you won't be doing everything. Some things you can focus on are more moral than others, to be sure. Some things you can focus on will harm other people more than others, but in all cases, if you focus on one thing enough to be world-class at it, you will not have time to do so much more.

From whatever lofty perch you attain with your world-class achievements, you can look down on everybody else and see them as a struggling mass. But do they see you as being above them, or just weird?

In the end, we're all worm food. The richest man in the world will end up the same as the poorest.

So, perhaps we are feudal. Perhaps we have always been so. I'm not sure that it matters. If you want what you don't have, you will be unhappy. If you don't want what you don't have, you will be happy. Nobody can have everything.

[sapator]

The difference here is that you cannot share your hiking task to others but you can share you money grabbing plots with associates.
I don't disagree with your post in general tho.

[TysonLPrice]

Well thats quibbling. The dollar was still bound to gold at a fixed rate. Even though that rate was later increased, it enforced appropriate frugal policy. however, the fact that this rate later had to be increased and Nixon finally dropping it completely were already symptoms of living beyond means.

I don't think it is quibbling...it is a difference of a couple generations and is a commonly stated misconception. The economies were different and the reasons were different.

[baka]

Just read this in the news:

The world's ten richest men have become even richer during the pandemic years, while the vast majority have had reduced incomes, according to a report from the human rights organization Oxfam.

Millions of people have fallen below the poverty line.

The total wealth of the ten richest people has increased from the equivalent of approximately SEK 6,300 billion to SEK 13,500 billion in 2020 and 2021. For 99 percent of the world's population, on the other hand, income has decreased and 160 million people have suffered from poverty during the pandemic, especially non-whites. ethnic minorities and women.

[reexre]

Italian Democracy emergency


Good morning my name is Matteo Gracis and I am an independent journalist, this video is a denunciation of the serious situation in which Italy is today.
Democracy in our country has been compromised and many of us fear that it will never be restored in the name of an endless and questionable emergency.
In february 2021 mario draghi took office at the head of the government; economist and banker, former goldman sachs man, former president of the ecb european central bank and current member of the group of thirty, as well as one of the main people responsible for the economic and social collapse of greece in 2015. Since taking office, the draghi government has already used the vote of confidence 35 times. An instrument that allows the majority to approve laws and decrees, effectively depriving parliament of its functions. In fact, the vote of confidence prevents any discussion of changes to the texts brought to the classroom by the executive.
The opposition, already almost non-existent, has now no sense of existence. As well as the opinions within the different parties.
We are faced with a single major party that governs Italy.
Completely ignoring the will and the needs of Italian citizens, the minorities that democracy must always respect and protect,
today in Italy they are literally persecuted.
In fact, there are several articles of the italian constitution that this government is openly violating:
from article 4 that recognizes to all citizens the right to work,
Article 13, which declares that personal freedom is inviolable, and
Article 21 that defends the freedom of speech and thought,
Article 24 which states that everyone can take legal action to protect their rights,
the right to demonstrate has even been compromised and limited.
In this state there is now no room for those who are not aligned with the directives of the authorities.
But this is a typical feature of dictatorial regimes not of modern democracies.


The press conferences called by the Prime Minister Mario Draghi are full of fake news and falsehoods: among the best known is the statement "you do not get vaccinated, you get sick, you die" issued last July, or the one that promised citizens a quick return to "normal" thanks to the green pass, as well as the security of not infecting or being infected guaranteed to those vaccinated made in October 2021.
Statements that no one dares to deny or correct, and even the few harmless questions that are asked by journalists are not answered.
In the meantime, the government in question brings forward and approves laws that are in favor of a few and to the detriment of the community, such as the abolition of the cap on the maximum salaries of public managers or the privatization of water. The latter was even included in an amendment at night, thus cancelling the debate with local authorities.

as of march 2020, italy is one of the states in the world that has suffered the most restrictions on personal freedoms in response to covid19,
at the same time 90.57% of the population over 12 has received at least one dose of vaccine or has been cured by the maximum six months, so it should be, according to the authorities, immunized.
This despite the fact that on December 15, 2021, date in which the intensive care units of Italian hospitals were occupied to 9.48 percent ( according to official data ) , the government has extended again the state of emergency until March 31, 2022. At the same time it introduced the super green pass; a pass necessary to work, use public transport and enter restaurants or practice competitive sports.
Making it mandatory, but without assuming responsibility for any adverse reactions, a health treatment still at an experimental stage and, in the light of official data of doubtful efficacy.
in the light of official data of dubious effectiveness.
A discriminating tool for millions of Italian citizens.
Despite the fact that the institutions have repeatedly reiterated how all this may have been put in place to deal with the health emergency caused by the advent of sars Cov2, in these 24 months there has been no provision in any way to strengthen the hospitals by increasing the places in intensive care,
nor has consideration been given to home care, which could have helped relieve the pressure on hospitals.
On the contrary, care has even been hindered and further cuts to public healthcare have been implemented.

In all this, Italian journalism is dead, and has turned into pure propaganda. The media merely report the government's statements; they have become its press office. They do not make more inquiries or uncomfortable questions of any kind, there is no more confrontation and debate and no space is given to critical voices of dissent.
Imagine how distorted the citizens' perception of reality can be;
If it is sunny outside but the television says it is raining, everyone goes out with an open umbrella, and this is what has been happening for the past two years. In the meantime, public contributions to publishing have increased and specific funds have even been allocated to disseminate institutional communications.
To try to stem this scourge, in the spring of last year, together with some colleagues and collaborators, we founded a new online newspaper entitled "l'indipendente", without advertising of any kind or ties to political parties.
In our opinion this is the only way to offer an impartial information without conflicts of interest, to get verified news and updates on what happens in our country I invite you to connect to www.lindipendente.online.
The real emergency in Italy today is not health but political, because we are increasingly moving away from true democracy approaching a polite dictatorship.
Soon the emergency will also be economic and social. We are a country on the brink of the abyss where hundreds of thousands of small and medium-sized companies will soon be forced to close, and where social inequalities are increasingly evident.
The President of the Republic, Sergio Mattarella, who should be the Guarantor of the Constitution, instead endorses any delusion of the government. And in the meantime he has recently declared, near the end of his mandate, that he is leaving a "united" country, when perhaps it has never been as divided as it is now.
The blame and responsibility for this cannot be placed on a virus or pandemic but on its management. And in our case to the Conte government, the draghi government and all its ministers .
We will resist and fight for our rights and our country thank you for your attention.

[baka]

Yeah, its terrible what is happening in the south Europe.
we all know that governments are corrupted. and Italy has a history of that, so its not strange they are using this situation for their own benefits.
what we need is a purge. the removal of all the corruption in all governments in the world and let common people be in charge with normal salaries.

[baka]

https://www.bitchute.com/video/nV1c0N5bS1Xu/
quite interesting

Shankara Chetty could be called a second Zelenko. He is a medical doctor, a general practitioner in South Africa who has treated more than 7000 Covid patients successfully, without the need for extra oxygen or hospitalization. Through meticulous observation he was able to discern the nature of Covid-19 as a two-phase illness with a respiratory and an allergic phase, and to develop a treatment protocol which he describes in the first part of the interview.

In the second part he is talking about how he sees the pandemic, long covid, the virus and its variants, the whack scenes, and the development of a new medicine, to treat the negative effects from the spike proteins.

[Niya]

Just read this in the news:

The world's ten richest men have become even richer during the pandemic years, while the vast majority have had reduced incomes, according to a report from the human rights organization Oxfam.

The total wealth of the ten richest people has increased from the equivalent of approximately SEK 6,300 billion to SEK 13,500 billion in 2020 and 2021. For 99 percent of the world's population, on the other hand, income has decreased and 160 million people have suffered from poverty during the pandemic, especially non-whites. ethnic minorities and women.

This isn't an accident. Like I said, self interest governs the world.

[TysonLPrice]

This isn't an accident. Like I said, self interest governs the world.

I reminds me of a game of Monopoly. Everyone starts out even and by the luck of the dice, luck of the draws, and some skills, the property is bought and money accumulated. It will end up with the wealth being owned by fewer and fewer players Gradually poorer players will be forced out because they cannot afford to play. The only thing I left is to start the game over again. That pattern has played out many times in our history.

[Niya]

I reminds me of a game of Monopoly. Everyone starts out even and by the luck of the dice, luck of the draws, and some skills, the property is bought and money accumulated. It will end up with the wealth being owned by fewer and fewer players Gradually poorer players will be forced out because they cannot afford to play. The only thing I left is to start the game over again. That pattern has played out many times in our history.

Monopoly is a mock-up of the real thing. The rules are designed for that very outcome. You cannot have super wealthy people without casting a whole lot of people into poverty. Why do you think America hated the idea of communism so much? The core idea of communism grates against the very human desire to put self first.

[Shaggy Hiker]

Yeah, which is why communism never happened. Every country that called itself communist morphed into autocracy almost immediately. Communism is an unstable philosophy, like a radioactive particle with a very short half-life.

[sapator]

Communism, Nepotism,Cronyism,Fascism,Nazism.
But I think currently we have Hypnotism, I can't figure out why we vote those idiots so I think hypnotism is a fair assumption.

[wes4dbt]

what we need is a purge. the removal of all the corruption in all governments in the world and let common people be in charge with normal salaries

Like the French revolution, Russian revolution, Cuba and many many others? Were the people any better off? I can't think of any, surely there must have been some success. Purging out the current government doesn't insure removal of corruption. I'm all for removing corruption, but how???

As for salaries, in the US the president makes $400,000, members of congress $174,000. Seems reasonable, @ the same as doctors. If accumulating money is your goal there are better ways.

[Eduardo-]

Communism, Nepotism,Cronyism,Fascism,Nazism.
But I think currently we have Hypnotism, I can't figure out why we vote those idiots so I think hypnotism is a fair assumption.

I still didn't have the chance to watch this video, but someone could take a look and see:

[digitalShaman]

I still didn't have the chance to watch this video, but someone could take a look and see:

I will have to watch this. It is a mystery to me. I now know 2 people vaxxed who got sick: my nephew two dose positive suspected delta, few symptoms and recovered and then my aunt boostered, omicron now in hospital on oxygen.
They all believe it is that “mild” because they got vaxxed. Isn’t this against science? 80% contracting the original wuhan strain did not even notice it! (Ischgl study). Omicron is generally milder! If I just mention that it now must be allowed to discuss the efficiency of the vax, I am getting stoned for blasphemy…
BTW, no one yet has explained the numbers from that Scottish paper I posted a few pages back…

[sapator]

BTW, no one yet has explained the numbers from that Scottish paper I posted a few pages back…

Simple, as I said before (in case you didn't notice) the vaccine is useless against omicron.

[TysonLPrice]

That friend of my I mentioned in a few posts back is still sick. I think it has been more than a month ago. He rarely answers the phone (his son does). As an update:

He wasn't vaccinated and got the virus.
After a few days he went to the hospital.
After a few days he got bored and checked himself out.
Went home and would not return phone calls.

We got an update yesterday. He is still VERY sick in bed and he has lost 46 pounds. I'm thinking at this point he has become a long hauler. He is over sixty-five with diabetes. I'm not going to go back through the links but I think it is well over a month since he got sick.

[wes4dbt]

That friend of my I mentioned in a few posts back is still sick. I think it has been more than a month ago. He rarely answers the phone (his son does). As an update:

He wasn't vaccinated and got the virus.
After a few days he went to the hospital.
After a few days he got bored and checked himself out.
Went home and would not return phone calls.

We got an update yesterday. He is still VERY sick in bed and he has lost 46 pounds. I'm thinking at this point he has become a long hauler. He is over sixty-five with diabetes. I'm not going to go back through the links but I think it is well over a month since he got sick.

Sorry to hear that. Hospital trauma and long term trauma isn't acknowledged very frequently around here. It's such a strange virus, or maybe it just feels that way because it's new. Omicron is suppose to be less severe but our daily death rate has risen from 1,200+ to 1,700+. That's tragic.

There are indicators that the O wave will peak quickly (we might already be there). Let hope so.

[sapator]

Hope he get's better.
Personally I've seen a lot of people getting a leave of absence in the company but the mostly stay home with mild if any symptoms vaxed of unvaxed but i think most of the people in the company are vaxed.
I haven't heard of anyone even going to the hospital. Generally, it's been a few weeks since I heard someone checking, in to the point that I'm wondering what the heck are all these deaths they are showing us every day.

[baka]

I will post this again,
but its a most watch

https://www.bitchute.com/video/nV1c0N5bS1Xu/

very good insight about covid.
I think this guy cracked it.
very good explaining how it works, about all his patients, what he discovered, what helped
he used a cocktail of medicines, steroids, antihistamine and a few other things to help people that got that reaction the 8th day and helped all patients to recover, without the need of hospitalization and oxygen.

of course big pharma will not recommend this at all. they want to inject spike proteins inside your body.

[digitalShaman]

That friend of my I mentioned in a few posts back is still sick. I think it has been more than a month ago. He rarely answers the phone (his son does). As an update:

He wasn't vaccinated and got the virus.
After a few days he went to the hospital.
After a few days he got bored and checked himself out.
Went home and would not return phone calls.

We got an update yesterday. He is still VERY sick in bed and he has lost 46 pounds. I'm thinking at this point he has become a long hauler. He is over sixty-five with diabetes. I'm not going to go back through the links but I think it is well over a month since he got sick.

Hey Tyson, that is sad to hear, all the best to your friend. Covid can certainly be dangerous for some (and it sounds like your friend is in the risk group with overweight and diabetes), i am in no way denying that. but i think the risk is terribly exaggerated in the media, the politicians terribly overreacted and the vax is terribly overrated and glorified.

[digitalShaman]

Simple, as I said before (in case you didn't notice) the vaccine is useless against omicron.

pssst, the numbers even suggest a negative effect

[sapator]

I was the first to post it here in the Denmark report but it was an early one so I used caution.