Corona virus, China major city lockdowns, etc.

[baka]

not everything is manipulation and has an agenda.

its not a bad thing to believe in animals rights,
to believe in equality, to want to eat healthy food or not eat meat.
and to want to have a clean environment.

the problem is when its forced on you. when its mandate and they don't give you a choice.
or when theres a movement, that blocks you, punish you, when you don't want to comply.
when they tell you, you should eat at least 1 vegetarian meal a week.
instead of, try vegetarian food if you want. maybe you will enjoy it.

there should be respect to another persons choices. as long that person is not dangerous.

Im vegetarian and I could have a long discussion why I think its right.
but its my choice. nobody forced me. and that should be respected.

because if someone says, you are wrong to be vegetarian, I will argue about that its wrong to be carnivores. as a defense mechanism.

so its not just about one side that need to understand or be wise or comply or change. but to allow diversity.

veganism is not equal to eat vegetarian, but its also a movement, an activism.
and thats the part that we should discuss, not the choice of food.

[Niya]

its not a bad thing to believe in animals rights,

I want to comment on this. I do not support or endorse cruelty to animals. I hate seeing any living thing suffer whether it's human or not. However, what I have a problem with is how this cruelty is defined.

If you nail a cat to a piece of wood for your own amusement, then I think you're sick in the head. However, I see absolutely nothing wrong with butchering a cow to feed your family. This is my issue with some of the environmentalist rhetoric out there.

[Shaggy Hiker]

the problem is when its forced on you. when its mandate and they don't give you a choice.
or when theres a movement, that blocks you, punish you, when you don't want to comply.

There are some serial killers who would totally agree with you. They just want to kill women, but they aren't given the freedom to do so.

The same case could be made for various racists, anti-semites, Republicans, Democrats, and so on. The truth is that none of us are free or ever want to be free. We just don't notice the chains that we don't mind wearing. We only notice the chains that we do mind. You give up freedom to live well, to have family, to have love, to have the computer you are reading this on. You don't object to most of that, though. Heck, you might not even notice it. And yet you complain bitterly when something else is forced on you.

Everybody draws that line in a different place. Just reading through the posts on here it is clear that you all want the line to be drawn in some different place. Kind of reminds me of the fight over a new VB6, especially since it's some of the same characters all wanting a new VB6 and all insisting that it has/doesn't have, a different set of features.

One thing about con artists is that they take advantage of the trust we have in one another. You will never be conned if you never trust anybody. You will also be miserable, paranoid, bitter and desperate. Frankly, it is better to be conned than be a person who can't be. Therefore, you have to accept that you will occasionally be conned, as it's the price you pay for being happy.

[Eduardo-]

not everything is manipulation and has an agenda.

its not a bad thing to believe in animals rights,
to believe in equality, to want to eat healthy food or not eat meat.
and to want to have a clean environment.

Sorry, I don't agree. I believe that meat is healthy food.

the problem is when its forced on you. when its mandate and they don't give you a choice.

That seems to be what veganists want.

or when theres a movement, that blocks you, punish you, when you don't want to comply.

If you hear them, they are already doing that,

when they tell you, you should eat at least 1 vegetarian meal a week.
instead of, try vegetarian food if you want. maybe you will enjoy it. there should be respect to another persons choices. as long that person is not dangerous.

Im vegetarian and I could have a long discussion why I think its right.
but its my choice. nobody forced me. and that should be respected.

because if someone says, you are wrong to be vegetarian, I will argue about that its wrong to be carnivores. as a defense mechanism.

so its not just about one side that need to understand or be wise or comply or change. but to allow diversity.

veganism is not equal to eat vegetarian, but its also a movement, an activism.
and thats the part that we should discuss, not the choice of food.

I respect vegetarian people. Everyone is free to eat what they believe is better.

But veganism is something that is entirely different. They are fanatics, and they want to impose to others their ideology. They want to close slaughterhouses, and to ban any activity that has to do with animals.