Corona virus, China major city lockdowns, etc.

[Niya]

This whole brainwashing us with the American Dream, meh. The fact that companies do their best to sell us things isn't a secret, it's done openly. They don't exist for our benefit, they exist to make a profit.

That's only part of the picture which by itself isn't very impressive or eye opening. These things I speak of are realizations that stretch back over a decade for me. I cannot possibly cover 10 years worth of lessons, observations, research, introspection and eureka moments in just a few posts. There is just way too much to cover. All I can say is that some people eventually start to get it and some people are content accepting the delusions until they die. Neither choice is good or bad. It's only a question of whether you can live with your decisions. Plenty of people can live just fine never knowing how the world really works.

EDIT:

You can listen to the late George Carlin or interviews of boxer-turned-business man Andrew Tate. They don't come close to covering everything but they do a far better job of explaining some of the things I'm talking about better than I ever could.

[wes4dbt]

All I can say is that some people eventually start to get it and some people are content accepting the delusions until they die. Neither choice is good or bad. It's only a question of whether you can live with your decisions. Plenty of people can live just fine never knowing how the world really works.

Another person who thinks people are ignorant or delusional if they disagree with their perception of the world. Considering the array of different perceptions that have been posted how are we going to know who really broke the code. lol

[Niya]

Another person who thinks people are ignorant or delusional if they disagree with their perception of the world. Considering the array of different perceptions that have been posted how are we going to know who really broke the code. lol

Look, either someone gets it or they don't. I'm not looking for converts. I'm happy to debate over bitwise operators in a programming language or VB6 vs VB.Net till I'm blue in the face but I have no desire to try help people understand how the world really works. This is a very personal thing and each man must decide for himself whether he wants to seek it for himself or just accept what everyone around him has told him is true.

I'm not looking for any drama over this. I'm just sharing my thoughts here. Make of them what you will

[Shaggy Hiker]

I'd say that if you are happy, then that's good enough. Life doesn't owe you anything, nor do you owe life.

My grandmother lived a tough life, but she was a very cheerful person while I knew her, right up until she died a few months after her 100th birthday. She didn't live a life that really justified that cheer, but she sure had it. I've got her letters. They're more than a little tedious to read. Perhaps there was a time when she wasn't putting a happy face on everything, but I don't know about it.

[Niya]

I'd say that if you are happy, then that's good enough.

Yep. There are plenty of people that are happy while barely making ends meet. They are fine not knowing the real reason they are struggling so hard. They wouldn't want to listen even if you were willing to tell them.

I've learned the hard way that you should never try to help people who don't want it. If they are happy living the way they are, then leave them to it. But DO NOT EVER complain to me about it. I will pretend I didn't hear you and quickly change the subject. If you want to sit around the block and smoke weed all day and fill your mind with garbage, don't complain to me about being broke. Just be happy with the consequences of your choices. If your greatest ambition is to work minimum wage all your life, don't complain to me that your life is falling apart because you're constantly short of money to pay rent and bills. Whenever you try to help these people, they hit you with statements not unlike what wes4dbt posted above or they tell you some garbage like "You can't tell me how to live".....I just blank out my mind now when people start complaining about their problems because half the time they could solve it on their own if they were just willing to wake up. Most people walk through life asleep.

[Eduardo-]

I want to offer an apology for implying that the ones that didn't see what others think are seeing are less intelligent or something like that.
Sometimes I get bothered with some messages and answer a bit emotionally.

Not long ago (some months) I had a conversation with someone that send a video to a Whatsapp group about the "Plandemic" and the video talked about the vaccines and 5G and said that the vaccines had graphene oxide and other things like that, showing people that put spoons in the arm and they stayed, perhaps you saw it.
I talked in private and said basically that all that was b#llsh#t.
And it was, but unfortunately things like that made many people skeptic about any idea that something else may be going on.

Another thing is that many people are frightened just about thinking in the possibility that there are some things they depend on and are far way of their control.
And I think they are intelligent enough to realize that they are... but do not want to even think about that issue.

So it is not about intelligence.

[Shaggy Hiker]

I was at a wedding reception back in grad school where I think there's a picture of a whole bunch of us hanging spoons from our noses. I wonder if that's the same trick? I don't remember how it's done. It has something to do with the friction being just right, but it's possible.

For anybody who has never seen that...as it turns out, you can Google Hanging a Spoon From Your Nose...of COURSE the web provides. I don't know why I even doubted it. Got a video as the top hit in Chrome on that one.

[Shaggy Hiker]

Another thing is that many people are frightened just about thinking in the possibility that there are some things they depend on and are far way of their control.
And I think they are intelligent enough to realize that they are... but do not want to even think about that issue.

So it is not about intelligence.

Yeah, if it were we'd all fail the test. So many people worry about me going hiking, or are afraid of flying, when the chance of an automobile accident is FAR higher than the chance of any issues in those situations. The same thing is true all over the place.

The typical US city has enough food to survive for less than a week, so we are utterly dependent on food being brought in. Food is utterly dependent on agriculture, which is highly industrialized in the US (and most other countries, by now). Our entire society rests on an increasingly small amount of technology.

One of the things about climate change is that it could push us to a much greater reliance on electricity. Since electricity can, in a pinch, be passively generated by many sources in any part of the world, it would ultimately broaden the base of technology upon which our society rests.

A bit over 100 years ago, a competent blacksmith coupled with a good carpenter, could create every device known to man, given enough time. These days...well, you're reading this on a device that consists of several parts that no human CAN create.

We don't worry about it, though.

[Eduardo-]

Yeah, if it were we'd all fail the test. So many people worry about me going hiking, or are afraid of flying, when the chance of an automobile accident is FAR higher than the chance of any issues in those situations. The same thing is true all over the place.

The typical US city has enough food to survive for less than a week, so we are utterly dependent on food being brought in. Food is utterly dependent on agriculture, which is highly industrialized in the US (and most other countries, by now). Our entire society rests on an increasingly small amount of technology.

One of the things about climate change is that it could push us to a much greater reliance on electricity. Since electricity can, in a pinch, be passively generated by many sources in any part of the world, it would ultimately broaden the base of technology upon which our society rests.

A bit over 100 years ago, a competent blacksmith coupled with a good carpenter, could create every device known to man, given enough time. These days...well, you're reading this on a device that consists of several parts that no human CAN create.

We don't worry about it, though.

That was exactly what I was talking about.
And it is increasing, with AI, etc.

[wes4dbt]

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[wes4dbt]

Look, either someone gets it or they don't. I'm not looking for converts. I'm happy to debate over bitwise operators in a programming language or VB6 vs VB.Net till I'm blue in the face but I have no desire to try help people understand how the world really works. This is a very personal thing and each man must decide for himself whether he wants to seek it for himself or just accept what everyone around him has told him is true.

It's not what you believe in but thinking that those that don't agree with you are flawed, they are delusional or they "just accept what everyone around him has told him is true" or don't "get it".

[wes4dbt]

Yeah, if it were we'd all fail the test. So many people worry about me going hiking, or are afraid of flying, when the chance of an automobile accident is FAR higher than the chance of any issues in those situations. The same thing is true all over the place.

The typical US city has enough food to survive for less than a week, so we are utterly dependent on food being brought in. Food is utterly dependent on agriculture, which is highly industrialized in the US (and most other countries, by now). Our entire society rests on an increasingly small amount of technology.

One of the things about climate change is that it could push us to a much greater reliance on electricity. Since electricity can, in a pinch, be passively generated by many sources in any part of the world, it would ultimately broaden the base of technology upon which our society rests.

A bit over 100 years ago, a competent blacksmith coupled with a good carpenter, could create every device known to man, given enough time. These days...well, you're reading this on a device that consists of several parts that no human CAN create.

We don't worry about it, though.

Now how am I going to be able to sleep. It's time to become a prepper. I'll start on the bunker tomorrow. This may be a problem, I live in a condo.

[Niya]

It's not what you believe in but thinking that those that don't agree with you are flawed, they are delusional or they "just accept what everyone around him has told him is true" or don't "get it".

I am always very quick to admit when I fall short or that I don't know everything. However, this is one of the very few things where I can say with full confidence that I know that I'm right. It's just too obvious to me at this point in my life and it took a long long time for me to get here and I've paid for some of the things I learned in life with pain, heartbreak, disappointment and fear. But like I said, I'm not looking for converts. A person's worldview is a very personal thing and I don't feel like I should try to convince anybody to change theirs. Everyone's life experience and disposition will tell them something different but there can only be one truth in the end.

[Niya]

A bit over 100 years ago, a competent blacksmith coupled with a good carpenter, could create every device known to man, given enough time. These days...well, you're reading this on a device that consists of several parts that no human CAN create.

I've reflected on this many times and I find this very frightening. So many of the simple things we take for granted in our everyday life cannot be created without a massive world-wide chain of expertise and resources. This chain of dependency is extremely fragile, if one link gets disrupted, the consequences can be catastrophic. Think of all the chaos there was over the chip shortage. It disrupted so many industries.

[jpbro]

When I woke up, I was worried that I might have spawned a maelstrom, but after reading all the overnight posts, I'm pleased to see that there are some good discussions happening.

(Logical? More than logical.)

I probably should have said that I don't think it's a solution to "many external problems" instead of "any problem". I think prayer is very useful as a personal mental tool for reflection, understanding, empathy, etc...much like meditation and other personal mental activities. What I meant by "not logical" was that I think it is illogical to think that prayer could directly affect the "real" world.

That reference was intended more as an example, taken from the video itself.
Of course everyone must do something where each one lives.

Understood, and agreed.

I'm not anti-vaccine, that protest is not anti-vaccine, it is anti-mandate.

I get that too, and I am against mandates in most situations. I am also OK with mandates in some rare situations.

[jpbro]

Quite hard, to reach a larger group of people:
- when the "mainstream-media" doesn't invite you to TV-talkshows etc.
- and when the big corporate social-platforms cancel your content

Personally, I wouldn't want to be any part of the mainstream media talkshows or platforms unless I was trying to sell something to mainstream media and talk show viewers. There's a vanishingly small chance of changing anyone's mind there.

And of course, as long as people believe, that corporate-managed Cancel-Culture doesn't even exist -
where is the point in "trying to provide avenues" to them, when already the "attempt at talking" (about avenues) is cancelled?...

I don't know if it's a "Cancel-Culture" (I kinda hate that term) insomuch as it is "If you're not making us buckets of money, then you're gone" situation. And all mainstream media has has stratified into niche's that they know they can cater to - and profit off of - effectively. I don't watch much TV anymore, but it blew my mind when I turned on a specialty channel on my parents' TV a few years back and they were playing an episode of a show that I saw a decade prior back when I had cable TV. At first I was thinking "what are the odds", and then I noticed the channel was basically playing the same old crap with new ads in between.

What's more is, that *due* to that cancelling, the official channels already made it quite clear to "Joe Doe",
that "listening to you, will get you in trouble" (and Joe Doe doesn't want any trouble).

I don't really blame "Joe Doe" for not wanting trouble. Most people don't want trouble, and I think that's a good thing in general. Can you imagine what the world would be like if everyone wanted to be Genghis Khan? So regular "Joes" are OK in my book. They are the people, families, etc.. that make society work, and I think a working/functional society is a good thing. Should the average Joe be madder about the current state of the world? I think so, and I think many are "waking up" to the reality that they are being absolutely squeezed by a few handfuls of billionaires/trillionaires. But I think the debate & politicization of vaccine's is a canard. IMO the powers that be are pushing the vaccine because they think it will get things back to the old status quo.

[Eduardo-]

I probably should have said that I don't think it's a solution to "many external problems" instead of "any problem". I think prayer is very useful as a personal mental tool for reflection, understanding, empathy, etc...much like meditation and other personal mental activities.

That's not what it is for, at all.

What I meant by "not logical" was that I think it is illogical to think that prayer could directly affect the "real" world.

Yes, it totally does, as long as you do it "right".

[jpbro]

That's not what it is for, at all.

Yes, it totally does, as long as you do it "right".

We'll have to agree to disagree on this one I think.

[Eduardo-]

We'll have to agree to disagree on this one I think.

I'm saying that because you asked. Not because I'm looking for someone to agree (or disagree).
I don't care about people's opinions on this matter.

[TysonLPrice]

It's only a question of whether you can live with your decisions. Plenty of people can live just fine never knowing how the world really works.

Those two points rang a bell with me. Living with your decisions is important. I made plenty of bad ones and I am content with where I am. How the world really works...I'd like to meet the person(s) that know that. I'm willing to bet they are wrong.

[TysonLPrice]

I don't watch much TV anymore, but it blew my mind when I turned on a specialty channel on my parents' TV a few years back and they were playing an episode of a show that I saw a decade prior back when I had cable TV. At first I was thinking "what are the odds", and then I noticed the channel was basically playing the same old crap with new ads in between.

That remined me of the movie "Crocodile Dundee". He was in New York and there was a TV set there in the room. He said something like "Oh yeah - I saw one years ago at Wally's. He turned it on and "I love Lucy" was on. He said, "yeah, that's what I saw".

[Shaggy Hiker]

no the health agencies told you that the vaccine will protect you against death or severe illness.
but only for the strains it was made for.
so alpha/delta.

Well not ours. We have pretty good data to state that the vaccines will protect us against death or severe illness for Omicron, as well as alpha, delta, and the others.

but omicron, its worthless. theres no data or indication that the vaccine will protect you at all.
if you have such data, please show that.

Ok, here's one from the New England Journal of Medicine, a pretty widely respected organization:
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2119270

Here's a more secondary source from the US National Institute of Health (but it links to the sources it cites):

https://directorsblog.nih.gov/2021/1...ne-protection/

[Shaggy Hiker]

I've reflected on this many times and I find this very frightening. So many of the simple things we take for granted in our everyday life cannot be created without a massive world-wide chain of expertise and resources. This chain of dependency is extremely fragile, if one link gets disrupted, the consequences can be catastrophic. Think of all the chaos there was over the chip shortage. It disrupted so many industries.

It did NOT collapse society, though. That's the true imponderable around the situation. Yes, it sure LOOKS to be fragile, but how fragile IS it?

Several years back, I think I started a thread on this question in this World Events forum. I think it's a cause for concern, but I don't know if it is a cause for alarm. Furthermore, the older I get, the more likely it is that I won't be around to see the collapse, if it happens.

However, I do feel that we will never recover from a total collapse. This society was built on easy resources. As the easy ones went away, we became increasingly able to extract more problematic resources. These days, the problematic resources are all that's left, so if we ever lose the ability to extract problematic resources, we fall back to 14th century technology and stay there until we leave the stage for good.

In my opinion, the only way out of this is to innovate and move forwards. That's why I feel that climate change is almost irrelevant. Whatever spurs technological innovation is moving us in the right direction, whether it is fear of climate change, fear of little green men, fear of COVID, or fear of the monster under the bed. The current technology is all well and good, but it isn't good enough, so keep on moving forwards. Conservation is a good thing. Discovering new sources of energy is a good thing. Just keep on advancing.

[sapator]

An speaking about intelligence :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-h_MPnqTww

[Shaggy Hiker]

At first, I was just going to admit that I have roughly the same response to food...but then I noticed some suspicious horns in there. They've got some undercover agents butting in.

[Niya]

How the world really works...I'd like to meet the person(s) that know that. I'm willing to bet they are wrong.

I'm not talking about philosophical stuff like are why are we here or does bigfoot exist, nor am I talking about the unknown secrets of our planet. I'm talking about more practical stuff. I'm talking about societies of humans. Super successful people generally know how the world works. They don't know everything, no one does, but they do understand the important stuff like how money really works, how to weaponize the law for their benefit and how to side step common laws that most of us can't. For examples of this, look up how rich people deal with taxes. That stuff will blow your mind how much the system is set up for you to succeed as long as you "know the rules". Again, look at the 2008 financial crisis. A lot of the entities that orchestrated the whole thing and those that were complicit actually became more wealthy. These were massive crimes, yet they got away with it. You cannot do stuff like this without knowing what levers to pull and what buttons to push. If we did some of the stuff they did with the CDOs and such, we'd be in jail for fraud but what happened to them? They got huge bail outs. They were paid for their crimes! Do you think that was by accident? No. These people knew how to play the game. They have a far better understanding of how the world works than the rest of us which is why they are able to do these things.

Why are cigarettes not illegal despite the fact that everyone knows exactly how dangerous they are? That's another one. How did big tobacco companies pull that off? I bet there are some interesting lessons there.

[wes4dbt]

It did NOT collapse society, though. That's the true imponderable around the situation. Yes, it sure LOOKS to be fragile, but how fragile IS it?

Several years back, I think I started a thread on this question in this World Events forum. I think it's a cause for concern, but I don't know if it is a cause for alarm. Furthermore, the older I get, the more likely it is that I won't be around to see the collapse, if it happens.

However, I do feel that we will never recover from a total collapse. This society was built on easy resources. As the easy ones went away, we became increasingly able to extract more problematic resources. These days, the problematic resources are all that's left, so if we ever lose the ability to extract problematic resources, we fall back to 14th century technology and stay there until we leave the stage for good.

In my opinion, the only way out of this is to innovate and move forwards. That's why I feel that climate change is almost irrelevant. Whatever spurs technological innovation is moving us in the right direction, whether it is fear of climate change, fear of little green men, fear of COVID, or fear of the monster under the bed. The current technology is all well and good, but it isn't good enough, so keep on moving forwards. Conservation is a good thing. Discovering new sources of energy is a good thing. Just keep on advancing.

Yeah the older you get there are other things more worrying than climate change or a collapse or the fall of democracy. Lol Still, I do have grand kids and great grand kids that might get caught in it.

The innovation path to sustainability seems to be working so far. It just gives me an uneasy feeling, what if ???? can't be solved. Converting to only sustainable resources, trying to stop climate change sound great but is it even possible. Beside if it means voluntarily taking a step backwards I don't see it happening.

[baka]

well that data is not "really" unbiased. its from the vaccine manufacturers.
also, the diagram are from before omicron really started to spread.

we will know more about omicron in a few months, since the data is just starting to show.
and will take time to create good correlations to see. what is caused by omicron, what is caused by other stuff,
also delta is still here.

[wes4dbt]

10,403 new COVID-19 cases in Louisiana with 11 deaths. The 7 day rolling average death rate is now 0.1%.

The average daily case rate has rose from @ 160K to @ 550K in the last two weeks. So far the daily death numbers haven't changed much. In a couple of weeks the hospitalizations and deaths from O should be easy to see.

All we can do is hope for the best.

[Shaggy Hiker]

Why are cigarettes not illegal despite the fact that everyone knows exactly how dangerous they are? That's another one. How did big tobacco companies pull that off? I bet there are some interesting lessons there.

I think they were mostly just fortunate. They might have been made illegal in the US if the extent of the damage that smoking does was recognized prior to US prohibition. Once we failed so spectacularly to outlaw alcohol...have we tried to make any other legal drug illegal since then? It seems like the line between legal and illegal drugs has remained largely static since that time, with the recent exception of the increasing legalization of pot. In short, we're probably moving more towards making fewer drugs illegal, not more, and largely because we recognize the pure futility of the 'war on drugs'.

[TysonLPrice]

I was at a wedding reception back in grad school where I think there's a picture of a whole bunch of us hanging spoons from our noses. I wonder if that's the same trick? I don't remember how it's done. It has something to do with the friction being just right, but it's possible.

For anybody who has never seen that...as it turns out you can Google Hanging a Spoon From Your Nose...of COURSE the web provides. I don't know why I even doubted it. Got a video as the top hit in Chrome on that one.

A Ohio law maker that was against vaccinations was saying they magnetized you. She tried it in session, not grad school, and made Ohio look ridiculous.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucele...h=2309fef92a34

So they are the people in charge of the pandemic

That link has an ad blocker. If you want see just goggle something like "Ohio lawmaker makes keys stick". She did on TV and was panned across the nation. Or you can use Google Chrome incognito window

[TysonLPrice]

It did NOT collapse society, though. That's the true imponderable around the situation. Yes, it sure LOOKS to be fragile, but how fragile IS it?

Several years back, I think I started a thread on this question in this World Events forum. I think it's a cause for concern, but I don't know if it is a cause for alarm. Furthermore, the older I get, the more likely it is that I won't be around to see the collapse, if it happens.

However, I do feel that we will never recover from a total collapse. This society was built on easy resources. As the easy ones went away, we became increasingly able to extract more problematic resources. These days, the problematic resources are all that's left, so if we ever lose the ability to extract problematic resources, we fall back to 14th century technology and stay there until we leave the stage for good.

In my opinion, the only way out of this is to innovate and move forwards. That's why I feel that climate change is almost irrelevant. Whatever spurs technological innovation is moving us in the right direction, whether it is fear of climate change, fear of little green men, fear of COVID, or fear of the monster under the bed. The current technology is all well and good, but it isn't good enough, so keep on moving forwards. Conservation is a good thing. Discovering new sources of energy is a good thing. Just keep on advancing.

I really enjoyed that post and it did get me thinking...

But the 14th century technology? I'm thinking we fought world war I with the basic the resources carved right out out the earth. The U.S. was founded in the early 18th? Don't know.

You really gave me an eye opener though.

It also reminded me of the movie "Back To The Future III". He arrived in the old west in Nike shoes and the farmer asked him "what animal are those from?".

[Niya]

I think they were mostly just fortunate. They might have been made illegal in the US if the extent of the damage that smoking does was recognized prior to US prohibition.

Oh I'm not so sure I want to believe this. I've started to realize that one of the biggest difference between the movers and shakers of the world and us ordinary peons is that us ordinary folk live life reactively. We wait for stuff to happen to us and then react to it. We live by the rules that were set by others. The players at the top of business and government, they don't. They make things happen. They don't wait to react. They push for how they want things to be. As such I don't think big tobacco simply sat back and prayed to be fortunate. I don't for one second believe that these folks didn't spend, lobby, beg ,blackmail, bribe or perhaps even kill in order to make this happen.

I can't really say exactly how they did it. I don't know and I'm not sure anyone today even knows but I will safety bet my life that cigarettes not being illegal was a planned outcome, not purely a product of random chance. There is no doubt in my mind that even if the dangers of cigarettes were known before US prohibition, they would have still succeeded in making it legal. Rich and powerful people do not become rich and powerful by waiting for stuff to happen or praying to get lucky. They get rich by being proactive and very tenacious in their attitude when in pursuit of their goals.

[Shaggy Hiker]

We use a very sensitive magnet detector at work (in the field, that is). It's for detecting magnetic wire that is used for tagging salmon. The wands look like the metal detectors used in airports, but those are nowhere near sensitive enough to pick up the field created by a weakly magnetized piece of stainless steel wire about a millimeter long and a little thicker than a hair.

Every year we do a training for new folks. I always run the wand over my left hand, just to check. For all but one year in the last decade, my left hand set off the detector. I've never known why. It's just my left hand, and the wand isn't focused enough to pinpoint the location of whatever is causing the detection, but it's almost always been there. I have never had surgery on my hand, nor have I ever been impaled by anything that I can remember, but that hand sets off a magnet detector.

Things stick to that hand, too...so long as I apply a bit of glue. They don't stick to it otherwise.

[wes4dbt]

We use a very sensitive magnet detector at work (in the field, that is). It's for detecting magnetic wire that is used for tagging salmon. The wands look like the metal detectors used in airports, but those are nowhere near sensitive enough to pick up the field created by a weakly magnetized piece of stainless steel wire about a millimeter long and a little thicker than a hair.

Every year we do a training for new folks. I always run the wand over my left hand, just to check. For all but one year in the last decade, my left hand set off the detector. I've never known why. It's just my left hand, and the wand isn't focused enough to pinpoint the location of whatever is causing the detection, but it's almost always been there. I have never had surgery on my hand, nor have I ever been impaled by anything that I can remember, but that hand sets off a magnet detector.

Things stick to that hand, too...so long as I apply a bit of glue. They don't stick to it otherwise.

As long as you don't start getting the urge to swim up stream I think you'll be Ok. But you do have a good start on a magic act, get that spoon to stick to your nose and you'll be ready for Vegas.

[TysonLPrice]

Good point...I agree.

[TysonLPrice]

We use a very sensitive magnet detector at work (in the field, that is). It's for detecting magnetic wire that is used for tagging salmon. The wands look like the metal detectors used in airports, but those are nowhere near sensitive enough to pick up the field created by a weakly magnetized piece of stainless steel wire about a millimeter long and a little thicker than a hair.

Every year we do a training for new folks. I always run the wand over my left hand, just to check. For all but one year in the last decade, my left hand set off the detector. I've never known why. It's just my left hand, and the wand isn't focused enough to pinpoint the location of whatever is causing the detection, but it's almost always been there. I have never had surgery on my hand, nor have I ever been impaled by anything that I can remember, but that hand sets off a magnet detector.

Things stick to that hand, too...so long as I apply a bit of glue. They don't stick to it otherwise.

Maybe because you have an "attractive" personality. Or the "irony" of some of your posts.

Those two are mine:

Then I googled:

https://upjoke.com/magnet-jokes

[sapator]

OK,
Since we are talking nonsense here, here is my nonsense of the day.
Run to the hills bass attempt sample.
No metronome and with a pickup, ouch!

https://files.fm/u/964w4th4r

Believe me you don't want to hear the fingers version
(how the heck?I mean 2 fingers?3 fingers maybe but 2?)

[jpbro]

I'm saying that because you asked. Not because I'm looking for someone to agree (or disagree).
I don't care about people's opinions on this matter.

OK good, there's been more than enough arguing, fighting, murder, and war about the right way to pray already, so let's move on.

[jpbro]

That remined me of the movie "Crocodile Dundee". He was in New York and there was a TV set there in the room. He said something like "Oh yeah - I saw one years ago at Wally's. He turned it on and "I love Lucy" was on. He said, "yeah, that's what I saw".

LOL! It was something like that expect with a bit less humour and a bit more stunned realization.

Anyway, this seems about as good a time as any for me to unsubscribe from this thread as it has been eating away at me a bit too much at me lately. I hope you all stay safe, make it through this wild and crazy time, and go on to live long and happy lives. Good luck to everyone here. We'll meet again back on the technical side of the forum. Auf Wiedersehen und gute Nacht.