Corona virus, China major city lockdowns, etc.

[TysonLPrice]

Looks like U.S. federal employees are going to have a vaccine mandate. No option for testing only. I live in Columbus Ohio and the Mayor announced Wednesday he would reinstate a mandate for all individuals, regardless of vaccination status, with an executive order. He has to do that because the Republican passed a law against mask mandates. I guess the courts will decide.

The company I work for was targeting October to return to the office. They just changed it to early 2022.

[sapator]

That is useful for me as with the crap the government is doing we will soon be in high covid levels again so I guess by your situation we will have at least 3-4 months of lockdown from November and forth (remember we have still 30 degrees in Greece so flukins are hard to spread).

[wes4dbt]

Your article says that the data is in line with comments from federal and state health officials so there is no real data but again, this wasn't about vaccination.
But if you want a response on that, the assumption is totally wrong as we have the Israel to extract data and it shows that 60% hospitalized are vaccinated.

You said we should do "Nothing", so if we did nothing there would be no vaccine.
You dismiss the study because " the data is in line with comments from federal and state health officials", brilliant.
This study source was 43,000 hospitalizations but your Israel study of 5,100 shows the truth. Did you know a large percentage of the vaccinated people that are in the hospital that have COVID are not there because of the COVID. They have an unrelated health problem.

But go ahead and ignore these facts. Even the articles you posted say the unvaccinated are at a much higher risk of hospitalization or death.

a growing body of research has shown those who are unvaccinated face far higher risks of severe illness or death from a COVID-19 infection.

The sheer number of vaccinated Israelis means some breakthrough infections were inevitable, and the unvaccinated are still far more likely to end up in the hospital or die.

Or did you just dismiss that part of the report because " the data is in line with comments from federal and state health officials"

[sapator]

"Nothing" but of course in the background the should prepare drugs and vaccines.
Are you mandate to declare if you are vaccinated or not in USA when admitted?
Yes vaccinated people are not from covid, they had chickenpox, as the non vaccinated also brilliant.

The first comments mean more likely to die not hospitalize, the second comment is from the Israel President making speculations.
You said hospitalized not hospitalized and die.
Personally I think you are just chasing your tail have nothing better to do so I'm going out to get the measles.

Also I don't see any data for vaxbies an non vaxbies https://ourworldindata.org/vaccination-israel-impact
Is this a USA propaganda?

[sapator]

"Nothing" but of course in the background the should prepare drugs and vaccines.
Are you mandate to declare if you are vaccinated or not in USA when admitted?
Yes vaccinated people are not from covid, they had chickenpox, as the non vaccinated also brilliant.

The first comments mean more likely to die not hospitalize, the second comment is from the Israel President making speculations.
You said hospitalized not hospitalized and die.
Personally I think you are just chasing your tail have nothing better to do so I'm going out to get the measles.

Also I don't see any data for vaxbies an non vaxbies https://ourworldindata.org/vaccination-israel-impact
Is this a USA propaganda?

Edit. Just so the graph on you link, what is the age group ?

[wes4dbt]

The first comments mean more likely to die not hospitalize

No it doesn't "far higher risks of severe illness or death" It says "OR". Where do you think people with "severe illness" go? Should we just dismiss the "OR".

the second comment is from the Israel President making speculation

No it's not. There is no quote, nothing that infers that information is from the Israel President. The Israel President quote was two paragraphs earlier.

[sapator]

Yes just read it closely so you are correct on that. So I'll take the facts that Nearly 60% of hospitalized COVID-19 patients in Israel fully vaccinated.
Anything else? There is not chance to became vaxbies so why are you barking about?
We don't believe systemic media we don't take experimental vaccines from multi million companies and we love getting the measles.
Let our 40% hospitalize and die in piece as the world propaganda is not working anymore.
That's not personally directed to you in case you take offend.

[sapator]

Head of CDC admits third booster dose is based on hope not data .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyWK1x6RUbE

Don't forget to get in line.

But...
The World Health Organisation has called for a pause on vaccine booster shots until 2022.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwZBCdUeMEU
Oh nooo, we need the booster to attack non vax and eat braiiiiinsss.

They really have you eating out of their hand haven't they?

[sapator]

Virus czar calls to begin readying for eventual 4th vaccine dose.
Salman Zarka says COVID-19 is here to stay for and that next booster shot may be adjusted for variants: ‘This is our life from now on, in waves’ https://www.timesofisrael.com/virus-...-vaccine-dose/

So, no comment, once a vaxbie always a vaxbie.


We don't need no vaccination
We don't need no thought control
No dark poison in our system
Pfizer leave the kids alone
Hey, Pfizer, leave those kids alone.
All in all you're just another brick in the wall

[sapator]

Our prime nazister Mr Mitsotakis , "greeted" to the Metropolis for the funeral of Mikis Theodorakis our prime composer with words of comfort like "Mitsotaki b@st@rd"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ME_hvuWVpgo
We love our prime nazi.

[wes4dbt]

Head of CDC admits third booster dose is based on hope not data .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyWK1x6RUbE

Don't forget to get in line.

But...
The World Health Organisation has called for a pause on vaccine booster shots until 2022.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwZBCdUeMEU
Oh nooo, we need the booster to attack non vax and eat braiiiiinsss.

They really have you eating out of their hand haven't they?

So, what's your point??? That getting a boost would be bad. That doing nothing is better.

How does any of that stuff change this,

The unvaccinated. A study shows the unvaccinated are 29 times more likely to be hospitalized compared to the vaccinated. https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/24/cdc-...ith-covid.html

a growing body of research has shown those who are unvaccinated face far higher risks of severe illness or death from a COVID-19 infection.

The sheer number of vaccinated Israelis means some breakthrough infections were inevitable, and the unvaccinated are still far more likely to end up in the hospital or die.

What?? People shouldn't get vaccinated because they might need a booster shot later?

Who are these vaxbies that want to eat brains? Haven't seen or heard anything about them. Are they just part of your delusion that doing nothing is the answer?

[dilettante]

It is hard to know where the trolling ends and the lack of personal responsibility begins.

[PlausiblyDamp]

No it doesn't "far higher risks of severe illness or death" It says "OR". Where do you think people with "severe illness" go? Should we just dismiss the "OR".



No it's not. There is no quote, nothing that infers that information is from the Israel President. The Israel President quote was two paragraphs earlier.

Not worth arguing with him, in the past he has used articles from a website that used covid vaccines, nanotechnology, and 5G in the same article. Any factual source of information is to be considered propaganda.
Covid is no more dangerous than the flu, he even refuses to call it covid.
Hundreds of thousands of deaths worldwide aren't important, masks are pointless, vaccination kills, vaccines are still experimental.
It is antivaxer mentality through and through.

[wes4dbt]

Hundreds of thousands of deaths worldwide aren't important

Actually 4.5million plus.

but I understand what your saying. But I don't think I'll have any impact on his delusion, my posts are aimed at exposing the distortions.

[sapator]

If you don't want to argue then don't.
The 5G again, you think you are diminish me with disillusion? That is propaganda at it's best.
I have posted hundred of articles, some page had also a 5G article that I did not even see, so that immediately make me what?
You completely ignored the long post I made 2 pages ago.
Go there and read it so I should not have to explain what I meant. And yes masks are pointless outside, vaccines kills and they are experimental.
Don't like it? Your problem go get the 4th shot. But I can also tell that you're in denial and spoon fed whatever they pass you around. If they tell you that you should sniff poo to protect from covid in a government media I'm sure you will do so.

I call it Covid what do you mean I refuse to call it covid?

So how about leave the non vaxbies do whatever they want? What difference does it make to you if we don't vaccinate? Are you a xiaomiou wannabe helping the government?

Wes, go read the post I made showing the lead epidemiologist admitting they added other causes of death to covid. You will find an excuse then to continue your delusion.

So I have to assume that you ignored that post. You just want to get it your way. You won't get it your way (That's for plausi not wes). Vaxbies gonna vaxb

[wes4dbt]

Wes, go read the post I made showing the lead epidemiologist admitting they added other causes of death to covid. You will find an excuse then to continue your delusion.

I remember that post. No need to reread it. I've also read several reports that say the death numbers are seriously under reported. But weather it actually 3mil, 4mil, 5mil or 10mil, so what??? It doesn't change the fact our hospitals are full of unvaccinated people. All studies have shown the unvaccinated are at a much higher risk of hospitalization or death. So all your vaxbies, eating brains, Dr. Fat, sniffing poo, is just nonsense.

[sapator]

That's is not a report it's an official statem...Ohh no matter.

OK fine fine denial.

So let me ask me something. I do not embrace it but let's say that unvaccinated are in greater risk.I'm talking for ages below 65-70. What is your problem with that? You are vaxd and so very safe. You did the shot with rainbow so what is the reason that non vaxbies can't do whatever they want with their body?I have no problem with people turning to vaxbies and eating brains , what is you problem with non vaccinated? Covid will eventually go endemic as Delta and the next mutations will do that.
So how will a vax will help on lower ages now?Give me a reason to do the vax as even your systemic media show that there is no real data that Delta is as lethal, that it is not. I posted systemic media links telling that and, I believe it was you that you said "What's your point" ? So give me a reason to vax .
Also don't pick on Dr.Fat, we adore Dr Fat.

[wes4dbt]

but let's say that unvaccinated are in greater risk.I'm talking for ages below 65-70. What is your problem with that?

My main problems is all the unnecessary deaths. btw - the majority of people hospitalized are under 65. https://www.statista.com/statistics/...the-us-by-age/

So give me a reason to vax .

I have no desire to convince you to get vaccinated. My reason for posting is to expose your distortions and inaccurate statements.

[dilettante]

Here are a couple of millennial NYC meth heads reviewing a movie:



The movie isn't bad, and it does have relevance to the current pandemic (which is why these reviewers were freaking out).

It's horror of more the psychological stripe and it has a twist ending they give away here. But you see the spoilers coming, and to be honest most people won't be able to take that much of these two anyway'

It may even have the fungalitis deniers bobbing their heads.

[PlausiblyDamp]

If you don't want to argue then don't.
The 5G again, you think you are diminish me with disillusion? That is propaganda at it's best.
I have posted hundred of articles, some page had also a 5G article that I did not even see, so that immediately make me what?

It makes you responsible for promoting and spreading antivax rhetoric you source from known antivax websites that are poorly researched and also promote the more insane antivax theories. It makes you complicit and irresponsible for giving this ill informed material more attention.

You completely ignored the long post I made 2 pages ago.

I shall go back and read it then.

Go there and read it so I should not have to explain what I meant. And yes masks are pointless outside, vaccines kills and they are experimental.

Experimental in the way they have undergone all appropriate tests and and been approved by the appropriate medical bodies. The medical bodies that decide if they are experimental or not, the experts in this area. I also suppose a few you tube videos say otherwise so who do I believe.

Oh yes, the experts. I believe the experts.

Don't like it? Your problem go get the 4th shot. But I can also tell that you're in denial and spoon fed whatever they pass you around. If they tell you that you should sniff poo to protect from covid in a government media I'm sure you will do so.

If I need to have a 3rd or a 4th shot, or even more - I am more than happy to do this if it keeps myself and other members of society safe.

If the medical experts tell me a vaccine is safe and will protect people, then I will trust them. If you are going to get all childish and make claims about what they may claim, you only need to look at the anti-vax morons who are refusing the vaccine but have been taking animal strength deworming tablets, injecting bleach, etc.

I call it Covid what do you mean I refuse to call it covid?

Flue, you have consistently and repeatedly called it Flue from the very beginning. Now suddenly you deny this?

So how about leave the non vaxbies do whatever they want? What difference does it make to you if we don't vaccinate? Are you a xiaomiou wannabe helping the government?

The unvaccinated become a transmission vector and help to spread the virus, those who choose not to are putting the lives of those who cannot be vaccinated on medical grounds. People will die because of the anti-vaxers enabling the spread.

[sapator]

The have a temporary license, expect only one that only USA have given a license recently. We talked about that 100 times.
Have the next doses then, your body. I don't want to do it, my body.
Ah yes. Flue floubiti flouxer!

The vaccinated and unvaccinated can spread. So stop be poorly researched. It makes you complicit and irresponsible for giving this ill informed material more attention.

Media government biased articles.
https://apnews.com/article/science-h...5ca012b5ef84d1
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/s...d-delta-easily
https://www.rollcall.com/2021/07/30/...read-covid-19/
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/30/h...ted-delta.html
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/2...pread-covid-19

So again tell me a reason that I should vax.

I think I have undergone that circle again and again. I will just ignore vaxbies going at it again . The long article was just what my thoughts where. They may have been wrong or right but you don't choose to answer on things I may be wrong,( for example do the initial fully panic admission to hospital help spread the flue or it saved people?) but you choose to attack on the thing that suit you. I believe that at least you 2 are negative biased on everything I should say so I will ignore attacks on the usual subjects. If you have anything constructive to say other than find specific parts only then please write them, else you are getting repetitive and boring.

On that note and since we have covered most of the parameters I will only write new developments. For example when the 4th dose comes out or new mutations, government freedoms etc.
The other stuff are covered in full and from what I can see it's just me, Shaggy and dilettante on the more calm talks and you 2 on the more hyped.I think people have long taken their decisions so only new stuff may be constructive for them.
So from now on that will be the situation for me. I'm going to the sea now without a mask vaccine or a plastic suit to spread the flue to squids.

[TysonLPrice]

It is hard to know where the trolling ends and the lack of personal responsibility begins.

Wow...talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

[Shaggy Hiker]

https://apnews.com/article/science-h...5ca012b5ef84d1

That one states that we should get more people vaccinated. The vaccine doesn't prevent you from passing on the virus...just greatly reduces your chance of getting sick from it.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/s...d-delta-easily

Same thing, only more so.

https://www.rollcall.com/2021/07/30/...read-covid-19/

Same thing, repeated.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/30/h...ted-delta.html

Same thing, only less so.

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/2...pread-covid-19

Also the same thing.

So again tell me a reason that I should vax.

Because every single link you just posted says that you should. They ALL say that those who are vaccinated can cause you to become sick, but they mostly will not get sick. So yes, those very links say that you should...and if you want to make it personal, I rather wish you would, as well.

[dilettante]

That one states that we should get more people vaccinated. The vaccine doesn't prevent you from passing on the virus...just greatly reduces your chance of getting sick from it.

I'm pretty sure it is far more nuanced than that.

Being vaccinated is meant to help your body be more prepared to fight the infection. Fighting the infection means limiting its reproduction within you. Less virus to spew back out, less chance and less impact of infecting others.

[Schmidt]

Being vaccinated is meant to help your body be more prepared to fight the infection.

Right.

Fighting the infection means limiting its reproduction within you.

Also right.

Less virus to spew back out, ...

Even tat is right - but one might want to think about, what is now "spewed back out"...

It is: "The best mutations, which were able to survive under the given vaccination-restraints".

Highly resistant, "filtered" specimen is, what's potentially "spewed back out".

...less chance and less impact of infecting others.

This would also be true - but only when (IMO):
- hard "isolation-rules" would apply
- especially for the vaccinated
- meaning strict isolation between "shot 1 and shot 2"
- followed by a 2-3 weeks strict isolation after "shot 2"

That's to prevent an outright "breeding" of these higher resistant specimen (among the vaccinated) -
because the whole "vaccination-programm" is currently (and incomprehensibly) "staggered over 3-6 month" -
due to "logistic-reasons" (instead of demanding a strict "shot 1 week", followed by a "shot 2 week", after building up enough supplies).

Now, thats sadly not how the whole stuff played out - what happened instead in most countries is,
that vaccinated people got back their "rights to mingle unrestricted".

And although it is (for the most part) ensured, that this "mingling" happens "only among vaccinated people" -
exactly that (paired with the staggered vaccination-procedure over longer timeframes) is (IMO)
the perfect "breeding ground", which is responsible for the "D", "E", "whatever" - variants we see,
and what allows this kind of virus to become endemic.

Just my $0.02

Olaf

[FunkyDexter]

I'm personally against vaccine mandates for body autonomy reasons but my own body autonomy screamed at me to go and get the ruddy vaccine. The data's there and it's irrefutable. To ignore it requires an act of will that's likely to be harmful to yourself and others.

Highly resistant, "filtered" specimen is, what's potentially "spewed back out".

True but I don't think the probability that an escape variant evolved increased. I think it simply eliminated most of the non-escape capability. I don't think I'm articulating this very well but, in essence, what is spewed out is more concentrated in it's toxicity but the total volume spewed out is greatly diminished. I believe the total spewed toxicity is overall reduced.

As for whether we've allowed too much mingling - I'm probably pretty close to you on that. We've been overly optimistic all the way through on this thing.

[sapator]

Shaggy I was replying on them saying that if you vaccinate you don't pass covid around.
That is completely false.
I wasn't replying on if I get sick or not and that "battle" is over as what was to be said was said before, so I wouldn't have respond but I do that out of courtesy to you . I don't want to make it personal as, as I've said I prolly cannot vaccinate even if the vax is pure rainbow due to an issue in the past.
Funky if you got the big covid "A" then Delta is just a playground and as I'm getting used that having said that the usual people will come at me with nonsense claims, go see your doctor and ask him if your natural immunity gives you a reason to vaccinate at all. Can you do than and not put experimental things in your? Don't listen to me or anyone else here.

[Shaggy Hiker]

Shaggy I was replying on them saying that if you vaccinate you don't pass covid around.
That is completely false.

Yeah, I agree with you there. If you are vaccinated, you can still be a vector, and there is some slight potential that you are a BETTER vector for a variety of reasons, some of which were covered in the last few posts.

as I've said I prolly cannot vaccinate even if the vax is pure rainbow due to an issue in the past.

Ah, hadn't caught that. We have a few people in that boat. Haven't seen them, though. This area is on the edge of declaring a medical emergency. Some parts of the state are already there. That's when they don't have the resources to treat the number of cases they have, so they are in triage conditions. We may be there this week, we'll see.

[TysonLPrice]

Yeah, I agree with you there. If you are vaccinated, you can still be a vector, and there is some slight potential that you are a BETTER vector for a variety of reasons, some of which were covered in the last few posts.



Ah, hadn't caught that. We have a few people in that boat. Haven't seen them, though. This area is on the edge of declaring a medical emergency. Some parts of the state are already there. That's when they don't have the resources to treat the number of cases they have, so they are in triage conditions. We may be there this week, we'll see.

Parts of Kentucky are in serious CPU shortages. I've read of cases where the person reacted badly to the first shot and is recommended not to get a second. That would s**k.

[Shaggy Hiker]

CPU shortages? How did we bring this back around to computers?

[dilettante]

So far the most infectious variants have been the U.K.'s "Alpha" and India's "Delta" which both arose before those parts of the world had any significant levels of vaccination.

Disease recovery also leaves one able to pick up, incubate, and become a disease vector. Probably just as much as being vaccinated does. This is pretty much what "endemic" is all about because neither ensures anything close to sterilizing immunity.

[TysonLPrice]

CPU shortages? How did we bring this back around to computers?

I should stay off Chit Chat when I'm working

[sapator]

At least a request of not vaccinating your children.
"For boys with no underlying health conditions, the chance of
either CAE, or hospitalization for CAE, after their second dose of mRNA vaccination are
considerably higher than their 120-day risk of COVID-19 hospitalization, even at times of peak
disease prevalence"
" Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine to be 162.2 cases per million for healthy boys aged 12 to 15 and 94 cases per million for healthy boys aged 16 to 17. "

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1...866v1.full.pdf
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...suggests-study

[Shaggy Hiker]

That's an interesting point. The counter weight to that would be the incidence of MIS-C and other issues with COVID in children:

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/heal...s-and-children

However, the bigger question is probably them being able to pass it to others.

[sapator]

In continuation of don't vax kids:
Giulia, 16-year-old student, died sixteen hours after the second Pzifer dose.

https://twitter.com/RadioSavana/stat...eb5cf84ceac%2F

[Shaggy Hiker]

So...twitter is a source now?

What did she die from?

[TysonLPrice]

There are a couple of posters here that would have been kicked off Facebook and the like by now for what they get away with submitting here.

[sapator]

Meh.

https://www.ilrestodelcarlino.it/mod...rali-1.6797778
https://necrologie.gazzettadimodena....it/news/129465
https://www.lapressa.it/notiziario/l...opo-il-vaccino
https://it.notizie.yahoo.com/giulia-...082646259.html

Are thy happy now the other than Shaggy person that want me to get kicked out? I'm I safe? I'm really hanging from his lips.

[Shaggy Hiker]

Hanging from your lips??? That's a novel way to go about it.

[sapator]

Lol.
But this is an expression you use in the states right? I wouldn't want to go about and say that on Facebook and they misinterpret and kick me out.
If I had a facebook account.