Thanks To..

**kovan** · Sep 11th, 2001, 06:20 PM

All those that didnt jump to conclusions on the horrific event that has happened today,
and greater thanks to those that defended me
i will not mention names
if you feel you deserve thanks then you do i am sure
however, there is 2 idiots on this forum now

Guv, and the jewish guy

cheers everyone, lets all hope for the best, and for the family of those that lost a loved one
i might have had a lose, i just havent got the confirmation

**Skitchen8** · Sep 11th, 2001, 07:08 PM

yes kovan, i have pointed this out in another thread (it was posted by abdul), people have no reason to believe that it was even a foriegn country yet (the oklahoma city bombing was an american terrorist) but they are immediately pointing a finger. A lot of poeple on these forums are getting angry and doing a whole lot of name-calling because poeple have different views. I respect the opinions of others on these forums, and if they feel that this attack was needed, let it be... i do not believe that this should have happened, and personally i think that those who are responsible should be killed.

**aknisely** · Sep 11th, 2001, 07:22 PM

(the oklahoma city bombing was an american terrorist)

There's no longer any doubt that this was done by an Islamic country. There's very little doubt that it was orchestrated in and funded by the nation of Afghanistan; specifically Osama Bin Laden. The Oklahoma City bombing was merely a load of explosives into a building. This was a very well organized operation involved dozens (hundreds?) of people; it's impossible for something like this to happen domestically.

**kovan** · Sep 11th, 2001, 07:24 PM

where is your proof you hard headed jewish ***
you know, i neve have met a jewish ***

even if they did
it has nothing to do with "Islam"
too bad it was americans that got hit though..

**Skitchen8** · Sep 11th, 2001, 07:24 PM

no it is not, i know that it was a different country, but it is possible that it is domestik. Adam why do you think that it would be impossible to be domestic... we are as capable of destroying ourselves as other nations are capable of destroying us.

**Skitchen8** · Sep 11th, 2001, 07:25 PM

Originally posted by kovan

too bad it was americans that got hit though..

adam, does that make you happy... he did not want americans to die!! now you can shut your ****king mouth adam!!

**kovan** · Sep 11th, 2001, 07:28 PM

anyways
lets leave this thread clean
i want people to get their thanks properly
without having this thread moderated

**tumblingdown** · Sep 11th, 2001, 07:29 PM

Originally posted by aknisely
There's no longer any doubt that this was done by an Islamic country. There's very little doubt that it was orchestrated in and funded by the nation of Afghanistan; specifically Osama Bin Laden. The Oklahoma City bombing was merely a load of explosives into a building. This was a very well organized operation involved dozens (hundreds?) of people; it's impossible for something like this to happen domestically.

Another intelligent comment!

Kovan, ignore him please.

td.

**aknisely** · Sep 11th, 2001, 07:29 PM

it has nothing to do with "Islam"

I didn't say it had anything to do with Islam, I said that it has to do with Islamic/Arabic/related nations.

Adam why do you think that it would be impossible to be domestic...

Because an operation like this cannot be performed without being detected by the CIA, NSA, FBI, DOJ, or any other TLA that makes up the Government of the United States.

adam, does that make you happy... he did not want americans to die!! now you can shut your ****king mouth adam!

I don't believe I've said anything unnecessarily derogatory towards kovan, especially on a day like today. I do not think you, nor he, has the right to be so abusive towards me.

**Skitchen8** · Sep 11th, 2001, 07:30 PM

Kovan i am sorry, and adam i ask that you please keep your personal attacks to yourself... kovan himself (and abdul) had nothing to do with this

**kovan** · Sep 11th, 2001, 07:30 PM

td
as you wish
just for today though

**kovan** · Sep 11th, 2001, 07:31 PM

no need to be sorry
world is full of bad people

please no more posts in this thread
if you want to reply to something i said here open a new thread

**aknisely** · Sep 11th, 2001, 07:34 PM

Kovan i am sorry, and adam i ask that you please keep your personal attacks to yourself... kovan himself (and abdul) had nothing to do with this

How can you say that I've made personal attacks??? I've repeatedly had to calm down people who were making terrible statements about Moslems, Islamc, Arabia over what's happened today. I can't believe you could say such a thing!

**abdul** · Sep 11th, 2001, 07:47 PM

Originally posted by aknisely
How can you say that I've made personal attacks??? I've repeatedly had to calm down people who were making terrible statements about Moslems, Islamc, Arabia over what's happened today. I can't believe you could say such a thing!

Somebody did abuse and all the other stuff...I abuse you, you abuse me. It is not gonna change the mind of US on what it will do! It will only get out the haterd.

**SteveCRM** · Sep 11th, 2001, 08:05 PM

you may all disagree with me but I do agree with adam that it was orchestrated by a group of people. It must have had tons of people to get 4 planes up in the air and be successfully hijacked (accept 1 was not done so successfully).

my 2$

**kovan** · Sep 11th, 2001, 10:41 PM

what have i said that was not sympathetic towards what has happened?
i have not said anything in any way to support what has happened
infact it has put me in a position that i will have to deal with for the rest of my life
i had enough discrimination against me already, i guess now i have more,

neverless, i hope its not even muslims.. this has been one of the greatest hits to Islam

**kovan** · Sep 11th, 2001, 11:04 PM

well go lecture abdul

Jimmy Changas · Sep 11th, 2001, 11:08 PM

if the 4th plane was shot down.. or what??

because by the time the 4 plane was heading toward it's target.. i think there was some f16's already in the air around the white house...

hmmmm

**kovan** · Sep 11th, 2001, 11:10 PM

from the looks of it
it seemd like it was actually shot down
because the crash site didnt really look like a crash site

thats my opinion only though

**abdul** · Sep 11th, 2001, 11:12 PM

Yes, It was shot down by some US fighter plane(s) in the air. I read that in the news.

BTW how many total planes have hit their targets and how many have been shot down in the air?

**Beacon** · Sep 11th, 2001, 11:23 PM

I didnt blame Islam kovan. I dont have anything against any religion or culture much to your beliefs!

Who did blame islam?

ABDUL:

Bollocks! Post the report!

**kovan** · Sep 11th, 2001, 11:26 PM

beacon hehehehe
2 idiots in perticular
Dilenger1 and Guv
they openly blamed islam for it
this is in like the first few minutes of us knowing about this
so much for proof

actually everyone else were helpign me out deal with the idiots

**abdul** · Sep 11th, 2001, 11:29 PM

Well...It is not in English but here is the link anyway:

http://akhbar.urdupoint.com/01/09/12/important.asp

I will try to find it on an english site.

**abdul** · Sep 11th, 2001, 11:30 PM

Everybody should also keep in mind that

History repeats itself

**kovan** · Sep 11th, 2001, 11:30 PM

Beacon can read that i am sure

**abdul** · Sep 11th, 2001, 11:31 PM

All of the news on that page are about that attack US.

They are saying that the hijackers could the trained pilots who took control of the planes and hit on the right targets.

**Beacon** · Sep 11th, 2001, 11:40 PM

Well which country is that from?
No i cant read it!

I still think it's bollocks all reports in media and other sources say it was crashed no shot down.

I want a confirmed report!

**abdul** · Sep 11th, 2001, 11:45 PM

It is in Urdu(Pakistan).

I am still looking for a website that gives that kind of news in English.

**aknisely** · Sep 11th, 2001, 11:46 PM

Try www.cnn.com or www.ctvnews.com or www.cbc.ca.

Jimmy Changas · Sep 12th, 2001, 01:25 AM

just heard it over the news.. the 4th flight wasnt shot down...

apparently .. as soon as the plane was hijacked.. the jackers started killing the flight crew with their razor blade weapons.. and three guys rushed the jackers and i assume the plane must have crashed because of the struggle for the control of the plain..

oh well...it's over and done with

**SurfDemon** · Sep 12th, 2001, 08:39 AM

Just out of interest, why does everyone keep saying that it would take loads of money to organise this.

It costs nothing to hijack a plane. You can learn to fly a jet pretty cheaply (I'm assuming that they skipped the hard bit... landing). And if you were going to kill yourself and needed cash, you could just go and get a huge bank loan.

So why should it require lots of financial backing?

SD

**chrisjk** · Sep 12th, 2001, 09:09 AM

Originally posted by SurfDemon
It costs nothing to hijack a plane. You can learn to fly a jet pretty cheaply (I'm assuming that they skipped the hard bit... landing).

It costs a lot of money to learn to fly...£60+ /hour.

And if you were going to kill yourself and needed cash, you could just go and get a huge bank loan.

So why should it require lots of financial backing?

If this gang did have a "guv'nor" type person, he would need the money to send them to the states. He would also need to buy the plane tickets for the domestic flights to allow these hijackers to get on board.

**InvisibleDuncan** · Sep 12th, 2001, 09:16 AM

Once the plane's in the air, there's nothing to it. You really only have the joystick, the rudders and the throttle to worry about. Any maniac could do it without any training - it's no harder than driving a car.

Getting flights to and within the States isn't too expensive, either.

**chrisjk** · Sep 12th, 2001, 09:18 AM

Originally posted by InvisibleDuncan
Once the plane's in the air, there's nothing to it. You really only have the joystick, the rudders and the throttle to worry about. Any maniac could do it without any training - it's no harder than driving a car.

Getting flights to and within the States isn't too expensive, either.

Don't forget these flighs were going from the east coast to the west coast, quite a long way. Got to be a few hundred each, muliplied by how many hijackers they're were.

As for flying planes being no harder than driving a car, have you ever piloted one?

**InvisibleDuncan** · Sep 12th, 2001, 09:22 AM

Originally posted by chrisjk
As for flying planes being no harder than driving a car, have you ever piloted one?

Yes - nothing that big, but the principle's the same.

**chrisjk** · Sep 12th, 2001, 09:26 AM

Just checking

They would have at least to understand the physics associated with large jets, and be fairly competant. Would they hijack aircraft with no flight experience, and run the risk of ruining it all by crashing short of their intended target?

**InvisibleDuncan** · Sep 12th, 2001, 09:43 AM

Originally posted by chrisjk
Would they hijack aircraft with no flight experience, and run the risk of ruining it all by crashing short of their intended target?

Hadn't really thought about that. Good point.

**aknisely** · Sep 12th, 2001, 12:45 PM

They do have skilled pilots in Afghanistan and other suspect nations from which terrorists supposedly came.

**Skitchen8** · Sep 12th, 2001, 04:55 PM

Originally posted by abdul
Yes, It was shot down by some US fighter plane(s) in the air. I read that in the news.

BTW how many total planes have hit their targets and how many have been shot down in the air?

no it wasn't, a heroic young man called his family on his cell fone, and said something to the effect of "I know we are going to die so me and another person on this flight are going to attempt to crash this into the ground"... it is believed that they gained control, and struggled until the plane hit in a nosedive into the ground. and all but that hit their targets... noe were shot down

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