Why would you use VB?

[filburt1]

This question came up when I was having a conversation with my co-workers. I think that the VB language compared to others is stupid, but I have yet to find a better IDE and way of working with GUI stuff.

[DerFarm]

I only use it for about 15% of my work. For the rest, I use Access, DBIII, and occasionally SPSS.

It's easy, easily modified, powerful enough for my purposes, and does what I need.

I could care less about what the tecno-snobs think, it works for me.

[denniswrenn]

I don't.

[filburt1]

Then what are you doing on VB World?

[denniswrenn]

Chit Chat, HTML Forum, and C++ forum....

[CiberTHuG]

Originally posted by filburt1
Then what are you doing on VB World?

He's helping you.

I only use it because the client wants me to. I even use PerlScript for any personal ASP work I do (on those rare occasion when I want to port something to be served from IIS).

[filburt1]

Originally posted by CiberTHuG
(on those rare occasion when I want to port something to be served from IIS).

*shudder* IIS. Ick.

[SteveCRM]

just chit chat and C++ for me and the occasional graphics to see if anyones made anything cool

[filburt1]

16 views and no votes? Come on, show some democracy.

[denniswrenn]

I would vote if there was an option "I don't use VB"

[CiberTHuG]

I would vote if there was a "'Cause they make me."

[aknisely]

Quit your whining Travis; if you hate VB so much, quit and find some Linux job.

[CiberTHuG]

Originally posted by aknisely
Quit your whining Travis; if you hate VB so much, quit and find some Linux job.

I'm apparently not smart enough, yet. You could quit your whining and send me money to learn more. I would say $3000-$5000.

[aknisely]

I'm not whining, I'm just making a suggestion. It isn't healthy to be working with tools that you hate.

[Wynd]

I use it when I need to quickly write a GUI program and can't be bothered to do it in C++ (right then).

[sail3005]

i generally don't use it, unless i need to make something really quick on the fly.

[JungleMan]

Originally posted by Wynd
I use it when I need to quickly write a GUI program and can't be bothered to do it in C++ (right then).

I use it, sometimes I use it to make some simple counting program or something (one time i had to write 100 cards, so when i pressed a key, it added to the tally, and alerted me when i was done) and really simple stuff like that

However I was working on a file sharing network with my friend, he's busy doing some game right now so he can't help me.

[nishantp]

Well VB was the first language i learnt, and im not smart enough for C++ . Well im learning C++, but after VB, everything seems so tedious in C++. Also, because i learnt VB first, and VB lets you get away with like anything, im in trouble when i have to learn Pascal in school soon. . Anyways, VB suites my needs. I completed a work term this summer. The programs werent big and fancy, mostly file parsing (which is easy in VB6 cause of split).

[chrisjk]

I think anyone who doesn't like it or worse still decides to come to VB world and diss it, should f**k off somewhere else and leave server bandwith to those of us who are interested in it.

[filburt1]

The VB language is simple and easier to use. But I greatly prefer Java/C++ style syntax to VB's archane style. I'm not trashing VB, it's awesome, especially for GUIs. But the language itself needs tweaking.

[aknisely]

Filburt: VB.NET is supposed to change a lot of that...

[filburt1]

I know. But I still miss my braces { } around functions, ifs, etc. At least they're making Option Explicit a hard-coded thing. VB's End Whatever things are too Pascalish.

[aknisely]

Ugh, Pascal. My mother was telling me stories the other day of when she was in computer science and learning pascal at the University of Jerusalem. Thirty years ago. At the local university, this was only the second year they replaced pascal with java for the first year of studies. Who the hell said technology was fast-paced?

[filburt1]

Pascal is the most stupid-ass language on the planet...no professional uses it.

[chrisjk]

no, prologue is the most stupid arse language on the planet.

[denniswrenn]

So is lisp...

[filburt1]

Pascal is still the crappiest.

[aknisely]

Lisp isn't as much of a language as much as it is a speech impediment.

[beachbum]

Originally posted by filburt1
Pascal is still the crappiest.

Filburt, have u ever actually used Pascal??? I saw that as little as a few weeks ago u didnt know that Delphi grew out of Pascal. I dont think comparing VB with Pascal serves much purpose as Pascal came from the 80's and at the same time Basic was very much spaghetti code. I guess that ppl were trying out ways of making code more structured and maintainable.

Pascal was not a fave language of mine but compared to cobol (only in studies) it was an angel. Languages are developing to be more and more user oriented and the ideal is to have a program like VB that is very graphic and user friendly but that produces high speed results.

From what i have read about programming anyhow, most of the speed problems for beginners (and others ) come not from VB functions or routines themselves but from incorrect conceptualisation of algorithms or methodology. Simple examples, accidently calling a combo boxes click event when loading it by setting the listindex etc. Forgetting to disable the textbox change event when passing formatted text. There are too many to mention.

So, anyhow, VB is good for what it does and u can always add specific tools for speed or memory intensive routines. And, remember that the end user doesnt care what language a program is written in as long as it runs fast and reliably.
Regards
Stuart

[filburt1]

So why is Pascal taught in school? Java and C++ both provide the OO-ness that you need to learn OOP.

[nishantp]

Originally posted by filburt1
So why is Pascal taught in school? Java and C++ both provide the OO-ness that you need to learn OOP.

Thats what im wondering to. People actually use Delphi, but they dont teach that. They teach Pascal, which he students will probably never use. They might as well teach C++, at least people might use that. But if im not mistaken, Pascal was created to teach programming techniques right? So its really strict etc..

[aknisely]

As I said, pascal was just replaced by java at the UofA. I predict other schools will (perhaps slowly) follow.

[nishantp]

That was at UofA. They have money. Im talking about a Canadian High School. They're not broke, but by the time they change over, ill be long gone from HS anyways .

[aknisely]

In my high school they teach visual basic

[Skitchen8]

damn, the best our school does is C++, and the teacher asks me what to do for most of his lessons (its funny cuz i know very little C++)

[©¿©¬]

Originally posted by beachbum

Filburt, have u ever actually used Pascal???

beachbum,
I think you're forgetting that filburt1 is just a kid whose opinions account for very little.

He's not a professional programmer.

[nullus]

i use VB because it's brilliant for developing business applications quickly, plus it's easy to learn. when VS.NET comes out i might try learning things like C++ and C# for personal applications, but i'll stick with VB for business ones.

[beachbum]

Originally posted by ©¿©¬
beachbum,
I think you're forgetting that filburt1 is just a kid whose opinions account for very little.

He's not a professional programmer.

You have now consigned yourself to a fate worse than death - the ire of a smitten flibbert

[Bonker Gudd]

I use VB because I have no choice, the job decides.

I personally think VB is pretty crap, I've used PowerBuilder a lot in the past and that slaps VB in the face! For those who haven't used PowerBuilder, it has something called a Datawindow where fields map directly onto the database

[beachbum]

Originally posted by Bonker Gudd
I use VB because I have no choice, the job decides.

I personally think VB is pretty crap, I've used PowerBuilder a lot in the past and that slaps VB in the face! For those who haven't used PowerBuilder, it has something called a Datawindow where fields map directly onto the database

Hi
Have never used Powerbuilder but have never read one good thing about it in the comp'r press. By the way you are looking a lot better these days. Prison life must be agreeing with you.
Regards
Stuart