The DB file for this message board must be huge!

**davem** · Aug 26th, 2001, 03:22 PM

I was just thinking... man the datafiles for this entire message board must be freakin' huge! I'm glad it's here though... I wouldn't have been able to make my program without it (I couldn't imagine the pre-interent days of programming, wow you might actually have to read a book, arghh!)

**filburt1** · Aug 26th, 2001, 03:31 PM

John's Linux box is churning all the time. I can hear the hard drive thrashing from here.

**chrisjk** · Aug 26th, 2001, 03:36 PM

Already 21473 users and 486333 posts

And this place only started in Jan 99!

**JungleMan** · Aug 26th, 2001, 03:47 PM

Originally posted by chrisjk
Already 21473 users and 486333 posts

And this place only started in Jan 99!

I can't wait until we get 31337 users

if you look at it one way, we already have that

**siyan** · Aug 26th, 2001, 03:53 PM

Originally posted by filburt1
John's Linux box is churning all the time. I can hear the hard drive thrashing from here.

Its served up by ONE computer?

-C

denniswrenn · Aug 26th, 2001, 04:12 PM

Yep, and from the same computer so is vbworld.com, and vbulletin.com

**JungleMan** · Aug 26th, 2001, 04:20 PM

john..what the hell you have in that box...dual Athlons overclocked with 20 SCSI hard drives, 100 gigs each?

**davem** · Aug 26th, 2001, 04:25 PM

How many megs do you think the data files are, about 1000?

**chrisjk** · Aug 26th, 2001, 04:53 PM

Originally posted by jpbtennisman
john..what the hell you have in that box...dual Athlons overclocked with 20 SCSI hard drives, 100 gigs each?

CPU: dual PIII 850MHz
RAM: 1024
Drive 1: 36 Gb SCSI
Drive 2: 36 Gb SCSI

**aknisely** · Aug 26th, 2001, 04:55 PM

100GB hard drives on a server would be slooooooooooooooooooooooow *****. Unless they were special hard drives.

**thinktank** · Aug 27th, 2001, 12:46 PM

Even SQL Server 7 has a Logical limit of 4 Terra bytes.

{Bill Gates in Mid 1980s on DOS Memory :
"64KB is ought be to enough for anyone"}

**CiberTHuG** · Aug 27th, 2001, 01:00 PM

640KB, which was the reason behind the memory limit on DOS 6-.

So, VB World is serving PHP 4.0.6 with Apache 1.3.20 from Linux? VB doesn't come in to play anywhere? Shouldn't this be a sign that VB is for hobby only?

**aknisely** · Aug 27th, 2001, 01:36 PM

vBulletin was written in php using mysql. If you want to port it, go ahead.

denniswrenn · Aug 27th, 2001, 01:43 PM

vBulletin was written in PHP for MySQL... He never said he wanted to port it.

**aknisely** · Aug 27th, 2001, 01:46 PM

Originally posted by denniswrenn
vBulletin was written in PHP for MySQL...

That's what I said....

He never said he wanted to port it.

That's why I suggested it. Might be fun to do, seeing as how it's a hobby.

denniswrenn · Aug 27th, 2001, 01:52 PM

What are you talking about? VB sucks and that's what Travis was hinting towards...

**aknisely** · Aug 27th, 2001, 01:56 PM

*sigh*

**CiberTHuG** · Aug 27th, 2001, 02:01 PM

Sorry, Adam, but Dennis is right. VB sucks (read: not meant for any use as anything other than a hobbyist's language), and that is what I was hinting at.

Port this site to ASP/VBScript (presummably with SQL and W2K)? Uhm... no. Though I would like to see the two platforms run side by side just so everyone can see which one is better (and cheaper).

**aknisely** · Aug 27th, 2001, 02:04 PM

*sigh*

denniswrenn · Aug 27th, 2001, 02:25 PM

From what I gather you are *sigh*ing because you are tired of dealing with real programmers rather than people who depend on MS?

**chrisjk** · Aug 27th, 2001, 02:59 PM

So someone like Serge isn't a proper programmer is he?!? Get real. VB isn't a f**king hobbyist language you snobs.

I'm sick of arses hanging around this site pretending they are better than the rest of us. Christ get a life, or f**k off to a NON VB site.

**filburt1** · Aug 27th, 2001, 03:10 PM

Such hostilities.

**chrisjk** · Aug 27th, 2001, 03:19 PM

well damn it, this is a VB site. You're ganna piss a lot of people off by calling us "hobbyists".

denniswrenn · Aug 27th, 2001, 03:24 PM

I would **** off to a non vb site, but they won't have all you friendly people

anyway, I wasn't really serious when I said that, it's just Adam pissed me off when he just said *sigh*. I'm not quite sure what he meant by it, but it surely wasn't meant to be a nice 'comment'. I kind of assumed that he meant "Why bother?"...

VB is slow, requires large runtimes, and makes learning any other languages very hard.

C++ on the other hand is fast, requires no run times, and if you understand C++ nearly any other language will make sense to you.

I won't say that C++ is better than VB, although that is what I think.

**filburt1** · Aug 27th, 2001, 03:26 PM

My words of wisdom: every language is excellent and crappy in its own unique way.

**thinktank** · Aug 27th, 2001, 03:27 PM

http://www.vbforums.com/showthread.p...threadid=99458

**CiberTHuG** · Aug 27th, 2001, 03:30 PM

Well, why is there no VB in this site at all?

It is hosted from a platform that does not have a VB compilier. It is hosted from a web server that was not written in VB, using a DB that was not written in VB with server-side and client-side scripting languages that are in no way related to VB.

I'm guessing VB isn't up to the task. To quote an otherwise unremarkable quasi-celebrity:

Know your role.

You don't spit into the wind, you don't pull the mask off the Lone Ranger, and you don't make retail or mission critical applications with VB.

I don't mind VB when it is used within its limitations. I don't mind Windows when it is used within its limitations.

**chrisjk** · Aug 27th, 2001, 03:30 PM

Originally posted by denniswrenn
I would **** off to a non vb site, but they won't have all you friendly people

anyway, I wasn't really serious when I said that, it's just Adam pissed me off when he just said *sigh*. I'm not quite sure what he meant by it, but it surely wasn't meant to be a nice 'comment'. I kind of assumed that he meant "Why bother?"...

VB is slow, requires large runtimes, and makes learning any other languages very hard.

C++ on the other hand is fast, requires no run times, and if you understand C++ nearly any other language will make sense to you.

I won't say that C++ is better than VB, although that is what I think.

Don't worry, it was directed at Travis more than you, he has a real problem with VB which he makes clear at every opportunity, which gets tiring.

**chrisjk** · Aug 27th, 2001, 03:33 PM

Originally posted by CiberTHuG
It is hosted from a platform that does not have a VB compilier. It is hosted from a web server that was not written in VB, using a DB that was not written in VB with server-side and client-side scripting languages that are in no way related to VB.

He didn't use C either, does that make C shite?

scoutt · Aug 27th, 2001, 03:33 PM

there isn't a server today that was written in VB

**CiberTHuG** · Aug 27th, 2001, 03:34 PM

Originally posted by chrisjk
Don't worry, it was directed at Travis more than you, he has a real problem with VB which he makes clear at every opportunity, which gets tiring.

Okay, I'll be quiet.

But VB presents so many oppurtunities. Besides, there are a lot of people out there to blindly follow. If you have honestly evaluated the field and you want to use VB to make a web server, go right ahead. But if you are on of those who's only arguement is, "So many people are using it, it must be good," well... I have no mercy for you.

**aknisely** · Aug 27th, 2001, 03:34 PM

Originally posted by denniswrenn
anyway, I wasn't really serious when I said that, it's just Adam pissed me off when he just said *sigh*. I'm not quite sure what he meant by it, but it surely wasn't meant to be a nice 'comment'. I kind of assumed that he meant "Why bother?"...

I was thinking "why bother?" An argument with a pretentious Linux fanatic would be pointless, because you have a very narrow-minded opinion thereof. You, and so many others like you, have the opinion that Windows always crashes, Microsoft can't make good stuff, Windows programmers are newbies, and only hardcore Linux programmers are "for real." There's really little anyone can do to change your mind about all of this, so: why bother?

**filburt1** · Aug 27th, 2001, 03:34 PM

Originally posted by filburt1
My words of wisdom: every language is excellent and crappy in its own unique way.

Stop arguing over such a stupid thing! Almost all of you came to this site for one reason: you knew VB. It doesn't matter if you think VB sucks or that C++ sucks.

**CiberTHuG** · Aug 27th, 2001, 03:36 PM

Originally posted by chrisjk
He didn't use C either, does that make C shite?

Well, not that it matters, because he didn't use FORTRAN, but that has a place, too. But C/C++ were used to write Apache, the OS, and probably the PHP handlers.

**chrisjk** · Aug 27th, 2001, 03:38 PM

fair enough, how about this then...

He didn't use Perl, does that make Perl shite?

**aknisely** · Aug 27th, 2001, 03:41 PM

Originally posted by CiberTHuG
Well, not that it matters, because he didn't use FORTRAN, but that has a place, too. But C/C++ were used to write Apache, the OS, and probably the PHP handlers.

Likewise, one would not set out to make a Web server out of VB. You *could*, but you could also make a Web server out of Pascal or Fortran or Cobol, or the TI-83 language. Everything has its purpose, and it's incredibly naïve, presumtuous, and insulting to say that VB sucks, it has no purpose, VB programmers are useless, simply because you find something for which VB is not currently suited.

**CiberTHuG** · Aug 27th, 2001, 03:44 PM

Originally posted by aknisely
I was thinking "why bother?"

Arguements are fine, but it doesn't help when your mascot is found in bed with the other team's captain.

As to Perl, Chris (and the slow pitch over the plate), PHP is based heavily on Perl. This site could've just as easily have been hosted with Perl, embPerl, Mason, or Perl/CGI.

But just because something isn't present, doesn't mean it is ****, it just means it has limits, and people need to know those limits. I would not recommend COBOL for web serving. It may have its place (still). I would not recommend VB for web serving. It has it's place. If I could just convince my client of that, then they will still have a product in 3-5 years.

I wouldn't say VB is ****, I would just say it has it's place. If everyone remembers that, then I'm happy.

**CiberTHuG** · Aug 27th, 2001, 03:46 PM

Originally posted by aknisely
Likewise, one would not set out to make a Web server out of VB. You *could*, but you could also make a Web server out of Pascal or Fortran or Cobol, or the TI-83 language. Everything has its purpose, and it's incredibly naïve, presumtuous, and insulting to say that VB sucks, it has no purpose, VB programmers are useless, simply because you find something for which VB is not currently suited.

For what is VB suited? My answer is, hobby programming. Programming for one's self or one's friends. I do not see VB as suited for mission critical or retail applications. Sorry. I agree with you 100% about suitability for a purpose. And that is what I said to start with.

**chrisjk** · Aug 27th, 2001, 03:48 PM

Originally posted by CiberTHuG
As to Perl, Chris (and the slow pitch over the plate), PHP is based heavily on Perl. This site could've just as easily have been hosted with Perl, embPerl, Mason, or Perl/CGI.

could have been, but wasn't...

I wouldn't say VB is ****, I would just say it has it's place.

Right! So why insult VB programmers by saying it's hobbyist and "Silly coder, VB is for kids."?

**aknisely** · Aug 27th, 2001, 03:50 PM

Arguements are fine, but it doesn't help when your mascot is found in bed with the other team's captain.

John chose to make his product in PHP, that doesn't really constitute "treachery," or anything. PHP is a very powerful language, and useful tool (as far as scripting is concerned), and he chose to write vBulletin therewith. Also, more people use PHP/MySQL than ASP and SQL Server, so he'd be able to sell it to a broader range of people.

What *would* fit that phrase would be if Microsoft made its site in PHP.

As to Perl, Chris (and the slow pitch over the plate), PHP is based heavily on Perl. This site could've just as easily have been hosted with Perl, embPerl, Mason, or Perl/CGI.

Or ASP/VB.

I wouldn't say VB is ****, I would just say it has it's place. If everyone remembers that, then I'm happy.

That's not what you said before.

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