JBuilder 5

**sail3005** · Aug 26th, 2001, 11:46 AM

Anyone use jbuilder5 yet? I just downloaded the personel editon.

**filburt1** · Aug 26th, 2001, 12:20 PM

Yes. I really hope they make JBuilder in C++ like they did for 3.5. The Java version is icky.

BTW, I noticed no real differences. There are sound effects, like when you compile and when an exception is thrown. Ooh.

**sail3005** · Aug 26th, 2001, 01:32 PM

well, i used 3.5 shortly, and it was OK. As far as i know, i thought that 3.5 was made in Java, and 3.0 was the last made in C++. Wasn't 3.5 out only for a month or so before 4 was released? I thought that 3.5 was sort of like a beta.

Anyway, 3.0 was great, and i would still use that if it wasn't such a bastard when upgrading the JDK.

**Dillinger4** · Aug 26th, 2001, 05:20 PM

So who makes JBuilder. borland? Im thinking to switching back to coding in an IDE. But i really dont want to go back to FORTE unless i am willing to spring for another 64Mb of ram. Where can i get JBuilder? Do i have to go to comp usa and purchase it? I know that last question mite sound stupid, but im used to the microsoft way. Spending $$ to get their stuff. Even though i usually goto computer fairs and get the acedemic versions. (which are bascially the same just not in price.)

**sail3005** · Aug 26th, 2001, 05:31 PM

Borland makes it. you can get the personal edition for free by download at their website (http://www.borland.com) it takes 128 mb of ram though

**Randy_Bartels** · Aug 27th, 2001, 07:19 PM

i have run JBuilder with 64 megs. anyone try IBM's VisualAge products?

**filburt1** · Aug 27th, 2001, 08:07 PM

JBuilder only takes up 40 MB here (actually, the VM takes up that much, JBuilder.exe takes up practically nothing).

**sail3005** · Aug 27th, 2001, 08:08 PM

ok, well, 128 is recommended

**filburt1** · Aug 27th, 2001, 08:54 PM

No problem, because I have 512 MB.

**sail3005** · Aug 27th, 2001, 10:47 PM

nice :P But, for someone running with only 64, it's gonna be tight. it might be possible, but i don't think windows is gonna love it.

**Randy_Bartels** · Aug 27th, 2001, 11:34 PM

runs fine here just takes a little while to load up. Forte on the other hand is a different story...

**sail3005** · Aug 28th, 2001, 11:09 AM

isin't like 256 remommended for forte?

**Dillinger4** · Aug 28th, 2001, 01:25 PM

I think they actually recomend 128Mb to run FORTE. I tried running it with 64Mb and i took way too long to load up.

**sail3005** · Aug 28th, 2001, 03:54 PM

wow, i may try that some day, it seems like more people use that than jbuilder

**filburt1** · Aug 28th, 2001, 04:04 PM

Is it free? JBuilder is for personal use.

**Randy_Bartels** · Aug 28th, 2001, 04:27 PM

the barebones version of Jbuilder and Forte are free

**sail3005** · Aug 28th, 2001, 04:34 PM

jbuilder 3 -- the university edition (which i have) is a full version and it's free. I would still use it but it is a b*itch when updating the JDK and doesn't have a lot of support of beans and jsp.

**Randy_Bartels** · Aug 28th, 2001, 04:48 PM

i've been looking for VisualAge for java or WebSphere studio on warez channels but cant find it.

**sail3005** · Aug 28th, 2001, 04:56 PM

sorry, haven't heard of it

**Randy_Bartels** · Aug 28th, 2001, 08:43 PM

does that make me a bad person?

**filburt1** · Aug 28th, 2001, 08:43 PM

Yes.

**Randy_Bartels** · Aug 28th, 2001, 08:57 PM

uh oh

**Dillinger4** · Aug 28th, 2001, 09:20 PM

Yes now report to the principals office at once.

**Randy_Bartels** · Aug 28th, 2001, 09:23 PM

i thought i got away from that place for good. lol i got suspended from school for 3 days for using winpopup during my senior year.

**Dillinger4** · Aug 28th, 2001, 09:32 PM

whats that the pop up for NT using DOS? That's what a dude i used to work with used to do in the office.

**Randy_Bartels** · Aug 28th, 2001, 09:37 PM

its on all windows machines but the message only pops up on NT and 9x if you have the winpopup program open. On Windows 3.1 the message would come up regardless. The elementary school still had alot of 3.1 machines connected to the same network so they got my nice messages.

**sail3005** · Aug 28th, 2001, 10:18 PM

hehe, some kids at my school got suspended for using winpopup

**Dillinger4** · Aug 29th, 2001, 01:44 PM

To get back into the subject there is actually somthing called
JDeveloper 3.2.2 which i am going to start seriously looking in to
because i come from a database backround (Access). Here a little snippet from JAVA pro June 2001 vol 5 number 6

"Oracle JDeveloper is am integrated Java development invironment designed to work with J2EE to buid complex n-teir
applications preferably with an Oracle database at the backend."

Seems to look good but i want to find ou tthe price before i can make any definite conculsions.

**sail3005** · Aug 29th, 2001, 05:29 PM

wow, sounds good, but i am sure that if it is from oracle it is big$$$

**Dillinger4** · Aug 29th, 2001, 05:41 PM

Yeah it's $4800 so scratch that idea.... I IDE looks cool though.

**Dillinger4** · Aug 29th, 2001, 08:05 PM

None so far but i thought i would be a good idea to start getting into Oracle. I would like to start programming for the new
Nextel i85s cell phone (the first to run Java apps). Having an application to run with Oracle on the cell would be cool.

**Dillinger4** · Aug 29th, 2001, 08:12 PM

Here are two links that are pretty interesting

This one is the Wireless developers home page.

http://developer.java.sun.com/develo...ucts/wireless/

This link is actually off of that page. Im going to sign
up as a Nextel developer. I figured what the heck.
At least i can get x amount off of of cell phone bill
if anything.

http://developer.nextel.com/dev_javaone.html

**sail3005** · Aug 29th, 2001, 09:32 PM

Cool, thanks. I was going to do a little with an access database and JSP, but we never got that far in the class. I haven;t done too much java since then, but i really gotta get back to it.

**Randy_Bartels** · Aug 30th, 2001, 04:16 AM

ever use a MySQL DB?

**Dillinger4** · Aug 30th, 2001, 02:23 PM

No...... Who makes that? IBM? I like using Access as a backend for VB but it seems a lot of companies are looking for Oracle or SQL server. So i really have too find out if working with SQL server as a back end is the same as using Acess as a back end. It should be since ADO is being used but im not too sure if the type libraries are the same. ADOX 2.1 ADODB 2.1 JRO 2.1

**Randy_Bartels** · Aug 30th, 2001, 02:46 PM

MySQL is similar to oracle or sql server but open source and free for non comercial use. also its alot easier to setup. you can get it at www.mysql.com.

**sail3005** · Aug 30th, 2001, 03:53 PM

i have used mysql a little, and from what i see i like it. i think that this site uses MySQL.

**Randy_Bartels** · Aug 30th, 2001, 04:47 PM

yup wouldnt doubt it

**CaptainPinko** · Sep 8th, 2001, 12:39 PM

Personally of all the Java IDEs I've used I like Forte the best. Plus its <blink>FREE!</blink> The SWING designer lets you design forms just like in VB. Its available somewhere on the Sun Java site (which sucks for organization I think). Tho it takes a while to load, even on my Athlon 1.2GHZ w/ 256 RAM!!!

**Dillinger4** · Sep 8th, 2001, 01:28 PM

Anyone if any of these IDE's come with Tomcat? I know JBuilder
Enterprise does.

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