True,VC++ is not "Visual"

I think it might be "Vicious C++" or "Variety on C++" I had more luck with C++ with linux where you just write you're C++ code and if you're not sure you can look in a book...

BCB... I admit, I like it, but if you want to get REALLY annoyed with something then try to write DB connected software with it... the Plus is that you can see the data fill tables in design time the minus is BDE 'Borland Database engine' Even hard core delphi programmers don't stand by it. Imagine any Db work you want to do (even access) requires that a 12 Mb file to accompany the project (can't static link it) That's bigger than Mdac! and it has to be installed with every package even if the person has it installed because it has to create alias's for ODBC. You can install a partial version of only 2-3 mb but if the person has other BDE software requiring the full install then that will no longer work.

A sub industry has started up for 3rd party odbc drivers, whiich is what I ended up doing.

Still the more I get into the API the less I need C++ (and yet learn more about it)