What do would you like in a programming lang?

**Cuallito** · Aug 14th, 2001, 01:10 PM

What would your ideal programming language have in it? I would make it totally OO, exept that I would make it were the objects were like sequences in Euphoria exept they could contain actual code. How about you?

**filburt1** · Aug 14th, 2001, 01:12 PM

MUST compile to either a dependency-free EXE, or cross-platform byte code like Java
Must have an EXCELLENT IDE (VB's is pretty darned good but can still be improved
Should be quite strict (i.e., explicit declaration of variables, no variants
Must solve everything in my pet peeves

denniswrenn · Aug 14th, 2001, 01:21 PM

C++ is the answer to all your problems, except the IDE one...

**filburt1** · Aug 14th, 2001, 01:23 PM

C++ sucks compared to Java. And don't just instantly reply; have you PROFESSIONALLY used Java?

denniswrenn · Aug 14th, 2001, 01:31 PM

C++ can't suck compared to Java because the JRE was created in C++...

**barrk** · Aug 14th, 2001, 01:31 PM

At fourteen had you PROFESSIONALLY used it?????????

Don't you pick on my Dennis.........or you'll have to answer to ME!!!!!!!!

**filburt1** · Aug 14th, 2001, 01:31 PM

Maybe.

JBuilder (a Java IDE) was created in Java.

**filburt1** · Aug 14th, 2001, 01:32 PM

Originally posted by barrk
At fourteen had you PROFESSIONALLY used it????????? Don't you pick on my Dennis.........or you'll have to answer to ME!!!!!!!!

I'm 16, and on September 11, I'll be 17. I have JBuilder running right now. I'm trying to design a RingBuffer (a circular queue) in Java.

**barrk** · Aug 14th, 2001, 01:36 PM

Originally posted by barrk
At fourteen had you PROFESSIONALLY used it?????????

Well................?

**filburt1** · Aug 14th, 2001, 01:37 PM

Well, what?

**barrk** · Aug 14th, 2001, 01:37 PM

September 11th is my Dad's and my husband's birthday!

**filburt1** · Aug 14th, 2001, 01:38 PM

**barrk** · Aug 14th, 2001, 01:39 PM

Originally posted by filburt1
Well, what?

Have you PROFESSIONALLY used Java, duh?!?

**kovan** · Aug 14th, 2001, 01:39 PM

hmm
sorry but java sucks PERIOD
c++ rulez

all your questions and concerns regarding everything
your old uncle Bill has lined them for you

.Net

**filburt1** · Aug 14th, 2001, 01:40 PM

Originally posted by kovan
hmm
sorry but java sucks PERIOD
c++ rulez

Clearly you have not used it exensively. I thought the same way, but after using Java two years at work, it is SOOOOOO much better than C++.

**filburt1** · Aug 14th, 2001, 01:40 PM

Originally posted by barrk

Have you PROFESSIONALLY used Java, duh?!?

Yeah, for the two years I have worked at Commerce One.

**kovan** · Aug 14th, 2001, 01:41 PM

Filburt, your full of it

**filburt1** · Aug 14th, 2001, 01:42 PM

So you HAVEN'T used it.

**kovan** · Aug 14th, 2001, 01:43 PM

Originally posted by filburt1

Clearly you have not used it exensively. I thought the same way, but after using Java two years at work, it is SOOOOOO much better than C++.

ok java WAS cross-platform
and no longer it is
as JVM is not gonna be installed on XP by default
so java is just as bad as others

C# is your answer my friend

**barrk** · Aug 14th, 2001, 01:43 PM

Originally posted by filburt1

Yeah, for the two years I have worked at Commerce One.

Since you were 14?!?!?!?!

**kovan** · Aug 14th, 2001, 01:44 PM

I have used java
i made a app with it
HATED it
so there for i went back and wrote my nice app in vb
and stayed HAPPY

)

i got JBuilder 5 Ent.
i dont like it at all
the java compilers suck
every single one of them

**filburt1** · Aug 14th, 2001, 01:46 PM

Originally posted by barrk

Since you were 14?!?!?!?!

Since I was a couple months before 16. I'LL BE 17 ON SEMPTEMBER 11, I SAID!

**filburt1** · Aug 14th, 2001, 01:46 PM

Originally posted by kovan
I have used java
i made a app with it
HATED it
so there for i went back and wrote my nice app in vb
and stayed HAPPY )

i got JBuilder 5 Ent.
i dont like it at all
the java compilers suck
every single one of them

Well, you have your language of choice, and I have mine.

**kovan** · Aug 14th, 2001, 01:48 PM

ya so we agree java sucks
good
i rest my case

hehehehe

i love c++, but i am afraid of it to be honest
its so powerful, it scares me

hehehe

**filburt1** · Aug 14th, 2001, 01:50 PM

Java throws exceptions. C++ destroys your computer.

**kovan** · Aug 14th, 2001, 01:52 PM

java throws them cus it cant catch
c++ catches them

can your java change the value of a const variable?
i think not

i just recently discovered const_cast in c++
and i think its one of the coolest things ever

oh ya, and i doubt java has RTTI and the use of dynamic cast (now thats cool)

**filburt1** · Aug 14th, 2001, 01:57 PM

Uh, dummy?

Exceptions are objects that a Java class can throw. Instead of stopping your entire program, Java just keeps on running.

There is a reason why they're called const.

**kovan** · Aug 14th, 2001, 02:01 PM

the fact that you can change a const var
thats just COOL

**filburt1** · Aug 14th, 2001, 02:02 PM

No, that's just WRONG.

**kovan** · Aug 14th, 2001, 02:04 PM

keep learning a language that will be usless in few years

n e ways
am off to take care of my 3 month old sis
need to feed her and make her go to sleep

**Wynd** · Aug 14th, 2001, 02:06 PM

Originally posted by filburt1
JBuilder (a Java IDE) was created in Java.

Is that why it's so damn slow?

Also...

Kovan, a constant variable shouldn't be able to be changed, after all it's CONSTANT

**filburt1** · Aug 14th, 2001, 02:07 PM

JBuilder 4 and 5 are. 3.5 was not written in Java. Probably C++ (shut up Kovan

). Yes, it is slow to UI events, but still quite usable.

**kovan** · Aug 14th, 2001, 02:08 PM

Wynd
but what if you want to change it?
i mean there is one elite program that for some stinken reason wants to change it
c++ says "you come up with the idea, i can do it"

and yes
for passed 2 years of hardcore programming lessons
"never make a var const if its gonna change"
hehe

**kovan** · Aug 14th, 2001, 02:10 PM

filly
i will probably reinstall that shiat compiler you call jbuildir in a week or so
i dont want it ****ing up my other stuff while in school

**filburt1** · Aug 14th, 2001, 02:13 PM

Originally posted by kovan
keep learning a language that will be usless in few years

Look, Kovan, I respect your view, so respect mine.

**kovan** · Aug 14th, 2001, 02:17 PM

hehe
i respect them dude
am just picking on you

Java Rulez

**filburt1** · Aug 14th, 2001, 02:18 PM

Yay.

**filburt1** · Aug 14th, 2001, 02:18 PM

Originally posted by kovan
...compiler you call jbuildir ...

JBuilder isn't a compiler.

Anyway, enough Java. No more. Let's get back to the original topic at hand.

**filburt1** · Aug 14th, 2001, 02:21 PM

You: What would you like to see in a programming language?
Leo: I have yet to see you try.

Filburt: What would you like to see in a programming language?
Hal: Java is a programming language.

Filburt: Yes it is.
Hal: I disagree. It isn't.

Filburt: You just said it was.
Hal: I agree. I just said it was.

Filburt: Leo didn't know how to answer my question.
Hal: That might be, but you didn't answer the question.

Filburt: Good point.

**Wynd** · Aug 14th, 2001, 02:26 PM

Ok then, back to the question.

Basically everything filburt said, except an IDE isn't really necessary unless you are dealing with windows/VB-style programming, then it is useful. Other than that a command-line compiler would work fine.

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