Vaporizers

[dclamp]

Anyone into the "vaping" trend? I'm sure there are a lot of smokers on here. It seems smoking and coding go hand in hand.

I recently started "vaping" occasionally and I find it pretty enjoyable.

[namrekka]

My wife does. I tried but did not enjoy. I smoke cigars.

[dclamp]

I am not a smoker to begin with. In the past I have smoked hookah and wanted to take it up again, but hookahs are a lot of work. Vaporizors are essentially tiny hookahs.

[RobDog888]

The trend started a few years ago with the eCigs. Its rumored to have bad side effects of water in the lungs from what I have heard first hand from someone who used to vape. Its a trend and you shouldn't take it up just to be "in". Its the same nicotine as smoking but without all the carcinogens etc. Still bad for you

/public service announcement


lol

[dclamp]

Its the same nicotine as smoking but without all the carcinogens etc.

Incorrect. The juice that I bought is 0mg nicotine.


I was also thinking about the whole water vapor in the lung thing. Because typically water in your lungs is bad. But how is it different from breathing in a fine mist or having a humidifier in the room?

[dilettante]

Actually the "spray type" room humidifiers are notorious for spewing minerals into suspension in the air as the droplets evaporate. In theory this results in a form of silicosis over time as well as putting bacteria into the air, leading to their being banned in many markets.

[FunkyDexter]

how is it different from breathing in a fine mist or having a humidifier in the room?

I think the jury's still out. Most of the gumph I've seen talks about how much healthier it than smoking. I guess that comes from the fact that, like RobDog said, it grew out of e-cigs. It's not the most flattering comparison though. I've heard a couple of the manufacturers declaring it's completely safe... but that's what the tobacco manufacturers used to say too. I haven't seen any reputable independent studies yet.

My position would be: it's probably a bit harmful but probably not very. There's a chance it's significantly harmful but it's a small chance. If it gives you pleasure then go for it but do so in the knowledge that it's an unknown, but probably small, risk.

[dclamp]

I have researched it some. There are studies out there that have not found any harm done by the vaporizers. However since they are still new technology and still evolving, there have not been any long-term studies so they are not able to test the long term effects of the technology.

In the end of it all (especially in California) it seems like everything is harmful to your body no matter what you do. I remember when Cross-Fit was the BEST workout available and everyone swore by it. Now it turns out that its actually dangerous and harmful. I have had more friends injured from Cross-Fit than I have from any other sports or normal gym workouts.

[NeedSomeAnswers]

My dad has COPD as he was a heavy smoker when he was younger, and there is research that suggest the vaporizers can cause much the same type of damage as smoking that can lead to COPD. COPD also makes you much much more likely to develop lung cancer (which my dad also has).

So while it most likely is better for you then smoking, don't just assume that there are no risks.

I have seen first hand the health issues that can come about as you get older from smoking, my dad is only alive right now due to some new experimental drugs that are only in the trial stage, these drugs don't even have a proper name yet they are that new.

[dclamp]

My dad has COPD as he was a heavy smoker when he was younger, and there is research that suggest the vaporizers can cause much the same type of damage as smoking that can lead to COPD. COPD also makes you much much more likely to develop lung cancer (which my dad also has).

So while it most likely is better for you then smoking, don't just assume that there are no risks.

I have seen first hand the health issues that can come about as you get older from smoking, my dad is only alive right now due to some new experimental drugs that are only in the trial stage, these drugs don't even have a proper name yet they are that new.

I appreciate that insight. I do not want to do anything that would intentionally harm my body. Knowing the risks are very important. I actually remember friends in the past telling me that hookah is 100% safe because of xyz. Never found a lick of evidence on the internet.

[RobDog888]

Easiest solution, dont put "stuff" into your body unless its natural and then again only in moderation. Nothing is safe if you overdo it lol

[SJWhiteley]

Everything is bad for you because someone somewhere touched something and died of cancer.

How really bad for you is it? Everything that makes smoking bad is eliminated by using a vaporizer. If you use a good quality vaporizer with the correct resistance and voltage, keep it maintained, you can really control the nicotine intake, and not develop any issues.

Is 'vapor' bad? Well, as already stated, nothing is safe. We all do things that threaten our health. I' m sure that staring at a screen for 10 hours a day is probably unhealthy, but here we are, judging others by their habits, and will make excuses for our own...

[dclamp]

Everything is bad for you because someone somewhere touched something and died of cancer.

How really bad for you is it? Everything that makes smoking bad is eliminated by using a vaporizer. If you use a good quality vaporizer with the correct resistance and voltage, keep it maintained, you can really control the nicotine intake, and not develop any issues.

Is 'vapor' bad? Well, as already stated, nothing is safe. We all do things that threaten our health. I' m sure that staring at a screen for 10 hours a day is probably unhealthy, but here we are, judging others by their habits, and will make excuses for our own...

Well stated.

[NeedSomeAnswers]

How really bad for you is it? Everything that makes smoking bad is eliminated by using a vaporizer.

Not everything, have you heard of COPD? it is a pretty miserable disease as i said.

COPD is caused by the tiny particles from smoking damaging the lining of the lungs. Recent research suggest that Vaporizers while better for you then cigarettes, still cause COPD, as the small particles are still present.

If you get COPD you have something like 30 - 40% increased risk of getting Cancer, and 70% of all lung cancer patients also have COPD.

This isn't meant to judge people, or tell people what they should do its your life, its just my dad has recently gone thought all this so i have seen the effects first hand, and i think its best people are aware of the risks than not.

[RobDog888]

^^ True that! When you have someone close to you go through something like that or worse you are so aware of what could have been done as a preventive measure to avoid it like not smoking. Yet again, everything in moderation can be enjoyed with relative minor risks

[Shaggy Hiker]

On the other hand, my mother died of something similar to leukemia (but not leukemia). I also knew a lady who smoked into her 90s. I'd be a bit more opposed to taking drugs to alter your state if I wasn't currently taking antibiotics to clear up a nasty infection that has left my head more woolly on the inside than it is on the outside (and that's saying something).

In the end, life is a fatal, sexually-transmitted, disease. We all take risks. I wouldn't care for an addiction just for the fun of it, though. As far as I can see, smoking is just stupid. For a HUGE cost, you can get a minor sedative that leaves you hooked. If you are going to do that, why not just do mushrooms? For a tiny cost you'd be out to lunch all day and be done with it.

Drug users just aren't weighing the cost/benefit. It's all about cultural appeal when it comes to drugs rather than cost/benefit analysis.

[Gruff]

Life is the only game where no one gets out alive.

[Steve R Jones]

I have a feeling this will be the first of many new studies...

E-cigarettes contain 10 times amount of carcinogens: Japan research
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/...rch/ar-BBg2Mvj

"E-cigarettes contain 10 times the level of cancer-causing agents as regular tobacco, Japanese scientists said Thursday, the latest blow to an invention once heralded as less harmful than smoking."

I spent $85 bucks for a E-Cig... Thought it was as much fun as kissing my sister.

I thought it would help me cut down on smoking the real deal... Instead I just got more nicotine then I normally would since I smoked the same amount...

[FunkyDexter]

Thought it was as much fun as kissing my sister

I'd be happy to stand in for you

I thought it would help me cut down on smoking the real deal... Instead I just got more nicotine then I normally would since I smoked the same amount...

I've seen exactly the same from every one of my freinds who tried to give up using e-cigs. For a brief while they put the cigarettes aside and proudly toted their vaporiser around but within a month or two every single one of them was back on the fags but now also vaping furiously alongside it.

I think the problem is that vaporisers hold out the promise of being able to carry on having the experience of smoking withoout actually smoking. But vaping doesn't give the same experience as smoking. Sure, it satisfies the nicotine craving but the taste is different, the feel is different, the rituals are different... it's a different experience. There's more to smoking than the physical addiction to to nicotine and they weren't mentally prepared to give up all the other stuff when they made the switch. So now they're all just hooked on two experiences, both of which happen to come with nicotine.

N.b. I apreciate this isn't directly relevant to this thread which is about vaping for vaping's sake as opposed to using it to give up smoking but, hey, this is Chitchat.

[NeedSomeAnswers]

N.b. I apreciate this isn't directly relevant to this thread

i don't think you appreciate it at all, with your thread corruption and your off topic discussion!!!

The least you could have done is to do it properly and start talking about Lama's or something !

[FunkyDexter]

Vaping lamas is fine as long as it's not a Dalai habit.

[dclamp]

That is one thing that I did read up about when researching vapes. The fact that you end up intaking MORE nicotine that when you smoke a cigarette. Cigarettes last a certain amount of time, every time. Someone may take a smoke break and they finish after one smoke. However with vaping, especially the ones with tanks, last significantly longer. Someone can puff on a vape non-stop and not realize how many puffs they are taking.

Some decent vaporizers have a puff counter on them so you know how many you are taking and you can limit yourself. It also has a 10 second auto shut down if you take a hit that is too long.

But, I am using 0mg nicotine so I'm not worried about that. The only chemicals in my juices are the flavoring plus the propylene glycol and vegetable glycerin that actually makes the vapor.

[Shaggy Hiker]

Vaping lamas is fine as long as it's not a Dalai habit.

My one question is whether or not you paid NSA for the setup to this.

[Shaggy Hiker]

But, I am using 0mg nicotine so I'm not worried about that. The only chemicals in my juices are the flavoring plus the propylene glycol and vegetable glycerin that actually makes the vapor.

I was on a hike one time when I met a guy who was smoking his own tobacco substitute. It had all kinds of things in it, none of which had any drugs that I was aware of. The stuff consisted of things like mint, corn silk, and a variety of similarly pungent stuff. So, that just made me wonder why bother at all? I can understand smoking tobacco because there is the drug and the addiction, both of which can motivate people. Smoking weed could do the same thing, though without the addiction. But what is the reason for smoking something that is neither addictive nor a drug vector? At that point you are just pumping crap into your lungs for no reason at all, neither good reason nor bad reason. After all, nobody fights fires just for the chance to inhale smoke.

What's the point of vaping or smoking if there aren't drugs involved? I'm not advocating doing drugs, but at least for those who are doing drugs I recognize that they are altering their brain chemistry, mood, or some such, and I recognize that there are people who want to do that. Take away the drugs and it seems like you are just harming your body recreationally.

[NeedSomeAnswers]

My one question is whether or not you paid NSA for the setup to this.

i receive a licensing fee, its very lucrative !

[FunkyDexter]

My one question is whether or not you paid NSA for the setup to this.

It was a once in a lifetime setup for which I couldn't pay NSA enough so I've decided not to bother trying. I doubt I'll ever better that one so it's a downhill slope from here.

What's the point of vaping or smoking if there aren't drugs involved?

I guess you might as well say, "why eat sweets?". I don't imagine it gives any kind of a rush but that doesn't mean it isn't pleasurable.

[Shaggy Hiker]

I've breathed in plenty of smoke over the years. People move around campfires for a reason, and it's not to get into the smoke. It's to avoid the skunk....but that's a longer story than I have space to tell. Actually, the reason people move around fires is to get away from the smoke. I can understand eating sweets because we are evolved to like to take in foods high in energy, which is what sweets generally are. They taste good, and that's motivation enough, though the reason they taste good is the result of the way we evolved. Therefore, comparing recreational, non-drug driven, smoking/vaping to sweets isn't quite right. It would be more accurate to compare it to the practice of shooting staples into ones arms and legs, as it serves no useful purpose and isn't pleasurable to most people. That's what I don't understand. If you are a masochist, then go for it. For everybody else: What's the point?

[Gruff]

Mom got me hooked on Vicks inhalers and sleeping with VapoRub in a mister/steamer

OMG! Vicks was the gateway drug to Vaping.

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[RobDog888]

Vicks, the original vaporizer. Could have made millions back then if you just took it and put it in a pipe lol

[Gruff]

Mom was a pretty trifty gal from the mid-West.
She was put out I wouldn't share my Vicks inhaler stick with my baby Sister.

OMG you stuck those things up your nose.