oh, no don't get me wrong, it was a terrible thing that never should have happened. But hearing about it and actually seeing it are two different things. If I really saw that, I'd probably have nightmares for years.
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Originally posted by crptcblade I heard that the suicide bomb last week blew arms and legs as far as four blocks away. Its terrible, but it sounds cool.
Actually, that's disgusting, and I feel sick just thinking about it.
The Israelis do not have clean hands, but the Palestinians are fanatics being taken advantage of by their leaders. Anybody who thinks it is a good idea to suicide bomb a restaurant is pyscotic.
I do not think Arafat wants anything but a continuing conflict. He has power, prestige and lots of money from the other Arab countries. I do not even think he would want to win a war and take over all of Israel. In a more peaceful situation, he might have to be accountable for the funds. He might have to face elections. Nobody wants to change leaders in the midst of a conflict. He might lose his position if there was peace.
The Palestinian demands are totally unrealistic, especially the right of return. That one is too silly to discuss. It will happen voluntarily when the US gives the land back to the Indians. Those who left Israel in 1948 chose the losing side and deserved to pay for their mistake. Why reward their descendants?
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Conspiracy theory ... I wonder if there is any Orwellian motivation for continual conflict and instability (not just in middle east) based on the economics of govt sponsored arms production and export.
Well regardless of who started it...the hatred is now rooted deep among both peoples. And that is what hinders peace. I agree with Guv, Arafat probably can't afford to let there be a peaceful resolution. That makes the situation even worse...
The irony is that even tho Filburt's poll is simplistic and we can all say "but hey, it is all so complicated now.. history... they did that to us" etc etc ... it really is as justifiable as the complex arguments that each side profers. There is never a black and white in these conflicts but apparently there are also few with the courage or inclination to move from their hard line stances.
I guess that the rest of the world will continue to look on with bemusement, thinking that .. "well, it's the middle east.. they are all a bit crazy over there."
TRue, true Beachbum, but the problem IS that both sides think that the other is the bad guy. But the things that each side "did" to the other are what keeps the hatred burning (and the bombs blowing...). In order for peace to happen there...people have to let go of there anger and hatred...and i dont see that happening in the near future.
Well, if anyone would ever look closely, they would see some misinterpretation and severe media bias. Israel has many times asked for periods of calm. ARAFAT REFUSED!!!
there are bombers from Fatah. Fatah is headed by Arafat.
Yes, Palestinian children die. But they are being placed in the line of fire by parents. Arab adults and children both instigate by throwing firebombs and rocks. Imagine Mexico doing this to the US. US soldiers would definitely fire.
Israeli children are killed while eating pizza. Arab children are killed while throwing rocks and soldiers or hanging out by wherever the violence is.
I recieved the following from an Israeli Arab. He is there, and sees what is really happening:
"I am an Arab Israeli citizen my friend. I am not Zionist. But neither am I fooled into thinking that the Israelis want us dead. If they did then why are we still alive?
"Below you talk about things the PA has done as if it is Israel's responsibility. Anyone not blinded by propaganda knows that Israel helps our economy more than they harm it.
"How absurd is it that the worst thing Israel can do to us (other than siege on a basic, humanitarian level; food, water, petrol (which we use for bombs) etc) is to prevent us from working in Israel? We want to kill them. We kill them. But if they stop us from being employed in Israeli companies, they are "war criminals?"
Israelis dont attack Arabs unprovoked. They retaliate after innocent civilians are killed. And Israel does not go for women and children. They target militants behind the attack. I know personally, that if I had a gun and little kids were throwing molotov coctails at me, I would shoot them. The reason there are more palestinians dying, is because they are not afraid to die. The Israeli citizens, wanting to live, stay away from the violence.
Reading history book tells you that jews (there was no Israel before that) had occupied palestine in 1948 with the help of UK agreements and forces.
Till today People all over the world think palestinans are terorrists and they are the bad guys (I was one of those),untill couple of days ago when I saw some pictures of what Israel is doing at the meantime with the palestinian people and I know I was blind all these years , the're being killed everyday by israel's soldiers in a way I couldn't even imagine ,some being executed ,
other people being shot in the streets and left bleeding to death,
destruction of Houses(people have no place to live).
I'm christian and used to think Muslims are the only one there but there are lots of christian there fighting for freedom.
When u r being killed with tanks , F16 planes and other stuff of latest american tecnology and u have nothing to fight with except for a rock to get your freedom ,I think it's a kind of heroic act.
About 450 guys from US,UK,Euroup,and other countries came to that area all the way from their countries to prevent the Israeli's terrorism.
If u don't beleive this just some search on the internet for pictures and u'll find the truth .
People are being killed there rigth now ,if u haven't heard watch TV news other than CNN and american or UK channels, if I hadn't watched other ones I wouldn't have known the truth
I'm happy I found this thread to say sth
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Everyone is soooooo good at making opinions! Congratulations! But I won't post my opinion!
Care to have look at this site if you please... www.mfa.gov.il
Here are some links on that page which I consider important to define terrorism better than that idiot who calls it simply as "evil".
Palestinian Terrorism: Photos - March 2002
The President of Magen David Adom condemns the adverse use of the Red Crescent Emblem - Mar 31, 2002
Apprehension of ambulance harboring a wanted terrorist and weapons at a checkpoint near Ramallah - Mar 27, 2002
Ramallah as a Center of Terror: Background Information - Mar 12, 2002
Which came first - Terrorism or "Occupation"?
Special Report: Inciting and Educating Children towards Hate, Anti-Semitism and Violence in the Palestinian Authority - Prime Minister's Office, March 2002
Answers to Frequently Asked Questions: Palestinian Violence and Terrorism; The International War against Terrorism (updated January 2002)
Palestinian violence and terrorism since Sept 2000
Victims of Palestinian Violence and Terror since Sept 2000
In Memoriam
Graphs and statistics of recent terrorist attacks (IDF Spokesman)
Suicide and Car Bomb Attacks in Israel Since the Declaration of Principles (Sept 1993)
Oh yes... can I ask you people a favour? Please don't mix your possible anti-semitic feelings with your opinions which you may already consider as "the truth". Nazism and neo-nazism is sooo old-fashioned. tsk tsk.
Everyone is soooooo good at making opinions! Congratulations! But I won't post my opinion! Care to have look at this site if you please... www.mfa.gov.il
Here are some links on that page which I consider important to define terrorism better than that idiot who calls it simply as "evil".
Sorry to all , I meant no offense to anyone and maybe I was wrong saying that was the whole truth, but that the most part.
I removed that sentence MOON.
I'm not defending some palestinians bombing but When putting yourself in their shoes where the've no army nor weapons and want to fight for your own land occupied by Israel and they are being slaughtered every day by Israelies with no mercy with Israel claiming they are self defending ,didn't they occupy it in the first place and started killing people to get them out of their land.(I think palest. are using same way to get Israelis out)
Is "israelies spelled right" ?
plz check this :
Children were killed from both sides. Palestinian children were killed in great numbers in comparison to the Israeli side losses.
BTW. MOON ,I was discussing the subject and I can handle other opinions without offensing "as in idiot" anyone so take a chill pill and cheer up
Have u heard the famous story of the boy killed with his father by Isreal recorded on camera (found on internet),but here is the video's site: http://moqarana.8m.com/qaren.htm then click to the first square to the right to watch video
People who say that the Jews run the U.S. are so totally delusional, they're only one step away from buying into the neo-Nazi fantasy that the holocaust never happened. (Yeah, you see, that too was a creation of the Jewish controlled media.)
Facts:
Jews comprise about 5% of U.S. population.
Jews comprise less than 5% of the Congress and Senate.
The last election was the first time a Jew had ever been on a major party presidential ticket (vice president or president).
Ted Turner is the most powerful American in the media world (not a Jew.)
Rupert Murdoch is probably the other most powerful figure in worldwide media (again, not a Jew.)
And yes, there are a lot of Jews who became the heads of the studios in the early days of Hollywood, and because of this it's not surprising that even today, there are a lot of Jews still heading the major Hollywood studios.
Well good for them, they came to this country and prospered.
But if you're going to use that fact as a basis to imagine this secret sect of powerful Jews who manipulate the invisible strings that control the United States of America, you, my friend, are totally delusional and might want to consider some psychiatric help.
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Israel should open their eyes and look at their selves. They are the terrorist killing thousands of Palestenians. The brutilization of the Palestenian people is unbearable. They **** too much about terrorist attacks, rolling tanks into Palestenian villages is TERRORISM. If you watch any news station, you can see tanks in villages and surrounding Arafat's compound, this is not a recent event. This has been going on since 1948! Every Palestenian has seen this heinous brutalization or have had this happen to him or her. What drives a suicide bomber to do what he or she does? This brutalization! It is b/c thousands of Pals are killed. It is b/c the world is stereotyping Palestenians in being terrorist when this group of people harbors the most engineers, doctors, scholars, etc. in the entire middle east, including Israel. It is b/c Israel is covering their acts on us and reiterate all suicide attacks to give the impression that the Palestenians are terrorist. There are Jewish military areas where their purpose is to slaughter Palestenians police officers that are trying to keep the peace! They are Jewish Talibans as one said! Hitler Shoron has no compassion for human life. This is his plan of attack: pull back negotian talks with Palestenians, then kill hundreds of Palestenians for a suicide attack that killed 2 ppl, and then BLAME ARAFAT. This is ridiculous and it must stop! I heard Bush's speech, it was completely retarded! "I think Arafat should do more to stop the violence, I respect Israel's right to defend, but I still want a path of peace." Ok, Arafat is locked up with no electricity in a room with no windows, how can he stop the most recent suicide attacks that way? Now he also said it is ok for Israel to use tanks to stop these attacks, but he still wants peace. Now how can you have peace when tanks are rolling into Pal villages raging a person to commit a suicide attack? Some president we have.
I want the misconceptions of the Palestenians to stop, this war on terror relative to Palestenians is rubbish. People just look at the surface and say "Palestenians are terrorist, they must be stopped." But what they fail to do is look into the why question. What will drive a person to do this? It is the brutalization of our people while the world thinks you are the terrorist. A lot of rage caused here. People look at these ppl as a whole. "The Palestenians had 5 suicide bombing in the past 5 days." This is unjust. This war must stop. It is a very sensitive situation right now, it is not time for Shoron to start a full war where with his crazy mind... the entire Palestenian race will die. O how I wish Clinton was still president. I find it incredible how Europeans and the rest of the world admire and appreciate this man more than Americans do. He allowed both parties to talk instead of killing each other which Bush has done. Arabs want peace, last week in a meeting, they all agreed to sign a paper stating a cease fire. Anyways, my heart goes out to the Palestenians and the Israelites, may God be with them...
Originally posted by STT Israel should open their eyes and look at their selves. They are the terrorist killing thousands of Palestenians. The brutilization of the Palestenian people is unbearable. They **** too much about terrorist attacks, rolling tanks into Palestenian villages is TERRORISM. If you watch any news station, you can see tanks in villages and surrounding Arafat's compound, this is not a recent event. This has been going on since 1948! Every Palestenian has seen this heinous brutalization or have had this happen to him or her. What drives a suicide bomber to do what he or she does? This brutalization! It is b/c thousands of Pals are killed. It is b/c the world is stereotyping Palestenians in being terrorist when this group of people harbors the most engineers, doctors, scholars, etc. in the entire middle east, including Israel. It is b/c Israel is covering their acts on us and reiterate all suicide attacks to give the impression that the Palestenians are terrorist. There are Jewish military areas where their purpose is to slaughter Palestenians police officers that are trying to keep the peace! They are Jewish Talibans as one said! Hitler Shoron has no compassion for human life. This is his plan of attack: pull back negotian talks with Palestenians, then kill hundreds of Palestenians for a suicide attack that killed 2 ppl, and then BLAME ARAFAT. This is ridiculous and it must stop! I heard Bush's speech, it was completely retarded! "I think Arafat should do more to stop the violence, I respect Israel's right to defend, but I still want a path of peace." Ok, Arafat is locked up with no electricity in a room with no windows, how can he stop the most recent suicide attacks that way? Now he also said it is ok for Israel to use tanks to stop these attacks, but he still wants peace. Now how can you have peace when tanks are rolling into Pal villages raging a person to commit a suicide attack? Some president we have.
I want the misconceptions of the Palestenians to stop, this war on terror relative to Palestenians is rubbish. People just look at the surface and say "Palestenians are terrorist, they must be stopped." But what they fail to do is look into the why question. What will drive a person to do this? It is the brutalization of our people while the world thinks you are the terrorist. A lot of rage caused here. People look at these ppl as a whole. "The Palestenians had 5 suicide bombing in the past 5 days." This is unjust. This war must stop. It is a very sensitive situation right now, it is not time for Shoron to start a full war where with his crazy mind... the entire Palestenian race will die. O how I wish Clinton was still president. I find it incredible how Europeans and the rest of the world admire and appreciate this man more than Americans do. He allowed both parties to talk instead of killing each other which Bush has done. Arabs want peace, last week in a meeting, they all agreed to sign a paper stating a cease fire. Anyways, my heart goes out to the Palestenians and the Israelites, may God be with them...
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doesnt matter anymore, terrorist or not, i hope they continue their struggle and we outsiders should do what ever we can to help them out
those who help themselves will get victory from Allah
jews are coming from every country to Palestine and claiming that its their land, long live people who will die for their cause
and for those 2 FREEDOM fighter women that died as freedom fighters i say i hope some day more women will follow their footsteps
>>>What drives a suicide bomber to do what he or she does? This brutalization!
Reminds me of a stupid ***** I used to date. I was young and she was great in bed, so I endured her behavior, which was totally psychotic. When I'd confront her, saying how on Earth could you do something like this to me, "It's your fault I did this to you because I wouldn't have done it if you hadn't done something to make me do it."
Now that's what I call ***** logic, and STT's reasoning is a perfect example.
You say Arabs want peace??? I can't tell you what the majority of the Arab people want, but I can tell you that when the Conference of Islamic countries that just ended couldn't even get half of it's member nations to come out and speak out against suicide bombings and the slaughter of innocent people just trying to live their lives, I can tell you for damn sure that most of the Arab leaders don't want peace.
Regardless of anything your enemies have done to you, if you can't just come out and say that these suicide bombings are evil, then you are perverting the whole essence of Islam. They obviously hate the Jews more than they love their religion.
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I think you misunderstood. I was saying that yes these suicide attacks are completely inhumane, but instead of ppl just stating "Palestenians are terrorist>" they should look into the "why" question. Israelie tanks are rolling into villages slaughtering all Palestenians. 185 Palestenians died this month and about 30 Israelites died. Now I ask you, why is it that the media must reiterate these 30 deaths and not mention these 185 deaths? This is what drives a suicide bomber, this injust misconception and the brutalization of the people with hundreds of Palestenian deaths.
Originally posted by kovan long live people who will die for their cause
Uhh, yeah, or maybe not so long
I wouldn't have much of a problem with the suicide bombings, etc, if they weren't targetting civilians. The military is meant to be a dangerous pasttime. Shopping isn't. It really amazes me how bad they are at inflicting casualties anyway. How can you explode in a busy shopping centre or unload a fully automatic rifle into a crowd and only kill like 5 people? Seems like they're more interested in getting themselves killed than making a difference.
Originally posted by HarryW Uhh, yeah, or maybe not so long
I wouldn't have much of a problem with the suicide bombings, etc, if they weren't targetting civilians. The military is meant to be a dangerous pasttime. Shopping isn't. It really amazes me how bad they are at inflicting casualties anyway. How can you explode in a busy shopping centre or unload a fully automatic rifle into a crowd and only kill like 5 people? Seems like they're more interested in getting themselves killed than making a difference.
yeah i know...but lets be glad they cant do it well
im not gonna bother stating my POV coz STT and nad_scorp already have...
if the "war on terrorism" (and i use that name loosely) does go to iraq and then on...he should go for ariel sharon next...he is the biggest ****in terrorist there is
I think we can leave Sharon alone Ghost. The guy's a moron he'll fook it up himself. No need for The US to get him or Arafat. It's like watching a new release of "Dumb and Dumber II (jackarses with bombs)".
Originally posted by kovan Arafat wants peace more than Israel does
i have said this before
if Israel is so interested in PEACE
why wont they let international monitoring of the situation?
clearly shows that they are hidding something
Bit simplistic there kovan.....
You have the religous side, the security side, and numerous other problems here. What exactly is Israel meant to do, when a number of groups and political parties in the region are dedicated to the destruction of it.
You have the religous side, the security side, and numerous other problems here. What exactly is Israel meant to do, when a number of groups and political parties in the region are dedicated to the destruction of it.
Gee, International monitoriing really works
Israel doesnt want any international monitors, why?
as long as there is opression there will be freedom fighters
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... I wonder if there is any Orwellian motivation for continual conflict and instability (not just in middle east) based on the economics of govt sponsored arms production and export.
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