Post Race!

[Shaggy Hiker]

I had a good chuckle after reading that Sharky, surely you weren't being serious.

True, I should have stated that that is true for deserts with which I am familiar, which means those in this area. It's true for most of the deserts in the US, but I think there are a few streams for which it is not true.

I assumed that water will react exactly like the atmosphere and that its temperature will rise when it is irradiated by the sun, and my theory is evidenced every time I boil water so I definitely wouldn't call it worthless.

Right. Liquids and gasses act the same. Streams are excellent models for the atmosphere, and your stove is an excellent stand-in for a flowing stream.

The problem, as Dan Schill explained, is that the redbands are not a desert fish and as a result they only have a chance of making it by living in or near cool springs which are quite rare in the desert. Thus a better strategy is to reintroduce endangered native desert species that are good eating.

Water is quite rare in the desert, so you are technically right that cool springs are rare in the desert. What water does flow is often cool springs. The redbands are native species in the streams they are found in. There aren't "native" species to reintroduce.

They are both trout, they are both native to north America, they both look the same, so exactly how much genetic difference is there Sharky?

None, Bambi. Redbands and rainbows are the same species.

Oh really you've changed you mind? Ok tell me Sharky: what, in your opinion, is the topmost pelagic predator besides Man?

I'm not going to start that up again, not even for the post race. People reveal little bits about themselves through their posts. Since you've said nothing about who you are, I built up a model of who I thought you were based on what you posted: That particular thread led me to believe that you grew up in a city and haven't traveled much in your life. I figured that you were an American teenager, but have changed my mind a little bit on both points. Niya appears to believe that you're a total fraud and doesn't believe anything you say, but I don't agree on that point. I think you DO believe everything you say, but I'm thinking you probably aren't American, and are either younger than 30 (probably younger than 25) or over 60. If you are the latter, then you'd have to have spent your life in some narrow profession, possibly a branch of mechanical engineering (that field has made some impressive mistakes when it comes to the real world). Whatever it is, you have an impressive ability to take a very small amount of information from the world, build theories of how the world works (which are largely Disney-fascist by the definition you provided), then zealously guard them against any actual data.

[Witis]

if you had any practical experience you'd know that the majority of the desert streams are shaded in part or in whole from high noon sun.

I had a good chuckle after reading that Sharky, surely you weren't being serious.

True, I should have stated that that is true for deserts with which I am familiar, which means those in this area. It's true for most of the deserts in the US, but I think there are a few streams for which it is not true.

You may also be aware that flowing systems can react in VERY peculiar ways such that your guess at how temperatures will respond is pretty nearly worthless.

I assumed that water will react exactly like the atmosphere and that its temperature will rise when it is irradiated by the sun, and my theory is evidenced every time I boil water so I definitely wouldn't call it worthless.

Right. Liquids and gasses act the same. Streams are excellent models for the atmosphere, and your stove is an excellent stand-in for a flowing stream.

And that happened just when I thought I would never see Sharky agree with me about anything. =)

Although you are concerned with the survival of non desert species in the desert like the redband I am not as that is not game that I can win as Dan Schill pointed out in the video I posted re the redband trout. The issue I focused on was that the majority of native desert fish are extinct or endangered and therefore endangered native species of desert fish should be reintroduced as a much more realistic and viable solution.

Reintroduced to what? They weren't there in the first place, so if you introduced them they wouldn't be native...by definition. The redbands ARE native.

The problem, as Dan Schill explained, is that the redbands are not a desert fish and as a result they only have a chance of making it by living in or near cool springs which are quite rare in the desert. Thus a better strategy is to reintroduce endangered native desert species that are good eating.

Water is quite rare in the desert, so you are technically right that cool springs are rare in the desert. What water does flow is often cool springs. The redbands are native species in the streams they are found in. There aren't "native" species to reintroduce.

Heh, no, Dan indicated that the problem is that the redband trout can only survive right next to the cool spring in the desert i.e. they are not adapted for the desert unlike some of the other endangered species of native desert fish.

B.t.w Dan is right the redband does look like a species of rainbow trout.

Oh good. Then all the genetic samples we've taken over the last few decades don't lie.

They are both trout, they are both native to north America, they both look the same, so exactly how much genetic difference is there Sharky?

None, Bambi. Redbands and rainbows are the same species.

Agreeing with me twice in one post that has to be a minor miracle. =D

People reveal little bits about themselves through their posts. Since you've said nothing about who you are, I built up a model of who I thought you were based on what you posted: That particular thread led me to believe 4that you grew up in a city and haven't traveled much in your life. I figured that you were an American teenager, but have changed my mind a little bit on both points. Niya appears to believe that you're a total fraud and doesn't believe anything you say, but I don't agree on that point.

But Niya would say anything so that isn't much of a point.

I think you DO believe everything you say, but I'm thinking you probably aren't American, and are either younger than 30 (probably younger than 25) or over 60. If you are the latter, then you'd have to have spent your life in some narrow profession, possibly a branch of mechanical engineering (that field has made some impressive mistakes when it comes to the real world). Whatever it is, you have an impressive ability to take a very small amount of information from the world, build theories of how the world works (which are largely Disney-fascist by the definition you provided), then zealously guard them against any actual data.

I am happy that you were impressed, although I have to reiterate that I am obviously not a fascist.