The lions don't care what you prefer. They'll probably kill you too if you give them a chance.
You are wise in viewing the cats as a serious predator.
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I also indicated that the data you posted did not include daily temperature and U.V. charts. So unless you have any better data I can only refer to my source.
And do so incorrectly. The data I posted did include daily temperature maximums and time. UV charts are meaningless, since UV has nothing to do with it. Solar radiation would have some meaning, so perhaps you meant that UV was a stand-in for solar radiation, but as your site mentioned, that's not particularly relevant as a surrogate for heat.
If there is an issue regarding fish dying because the water is getting too warm then you can be sure that you are referring to a hot desert. Is the desert marked on the map I posted?
Probably.
I will continue to dispute your stated belief that fencing off a few river banks covered with a bit of green vegetation substantially reduces the water temperature at all, and that true desert fish need shade to survive.
I thought we had long since covered the fact that we are talking about trout and salmon, and that they are not considered true desert fish. They are true residents of the desert, and they are impacted by grazing. You can find that for yourself, if you so chose, by searching in grazing impacts on riparian areas, which will result in LOTS of hits.
I am not convinced. If you want me to look at something please at least post a link with the map open to Idaho and set up the way you want it and a link confirming that green = tall trees not just grass or shrubs.
Of course you want that. Since it isn't even theoretically possible to do that, you have asked for just the right thing to maintain your beliefs. The desert area is too broad to show any extent while also showing enough detail to show vegetation along streams. A link to a stream could be dismissed as not being representative (as the rivers you posted pictures of are not, since large rivers are rare anywhere), while an expanse would be representative yet wouldn't show vegetation. Even if I took the time to show several links, they would be nothing but snapshots of a broader picture, and could be dismissed as such. That's why I suggested Google Earth, which is what I used for figuring out the bike route through the desert. You could also search on papers on the subject. You won't find any that say that cattle and sheep grazing doesn't cause any damage to riparian areas, and you would find papers describing greater impacts than what I mentioned, but it would all be there.
Other than that, do as you please. I have not believed that you could be convinced of anything ever since you decided that mako sharks were the dominant predator. It's an interesting argument, but it's not worth doing any more work for.
Went back to look at your desert map. The Inside Desert is part of what is listed as the Great Basin Desert, except that it really isn't part of it. The Great Basin is a region that doesn't drain to either the Atlantic or Pacific, whereas what streams do exist in the Inside Desert and the other Idaho deserts all drain into the Snake River, which flows to the Pacific, and therefore aren't included in the Great Basin.
I also indicated that the data you posted did not include daily temperature and U.V. charts. So unless you have any better data I can only refer to my source.
Originally Posted by Shaggy Hiker
And do so incorrectly. The data I posted did include daily temperature maximums and time. UV charts are meaningless, since UV has nothing to do with it. Solar radiation would have some meaning, so perhaps you meant that UV was a stand-in for solar radiation, but as your site mentioned, that's not particularly relevant as a surrogate for heat.
The data you posted did not include a daily temperature chart, it only included the peak temp, so I was unable to determine the temp at noon. U.V. charts are not meaningless as the National Environmental Satellite, Data, and Information Service points out they can be used to determine "when the earth-atmosphere system is irradiated" by the sun and are particularly useful to compare against the temperature charts over the same time frame. The water just like the atmosphere is heated by the sun and the U.V. chart from my source reveals that the sun is heating the atmosphere and the water the most at midday but there is a thermal delay from the time the atmosphere and water are irradiated to the time their temperatures reaches their peak. Thus for the trees to have any substantial effect on the water temperature they would have to shade the water in the middle of the day when the sun is directly overhead and that is an absurd proposition especially in a desert.
Originally Posted by Witis
I will continue to dispute your stated belief that fencing off a few river banks covered with a bit of green vegetation substantially reduces the water temperature at all, and that true desert fish need shade to survive.
I thought we had long since covered the fact that we are talking about trout and salmon, and that they are not considered true desert fish. They are true residents of the desert, and they are impacted by grazing. You can find that for yourself, if you so chose, by searching in grazing impacts on riparian areas, which will result in LOTS of hits.
Although you are concerned with the survival of non desert species in the desert like the redband I am not as that is not game that I can win as Dan Schill pointed out in the video I posted re the redband trout. The issue I focused on was that the majority of native desert fish are extinct or endangered and therefore endangered native species of desert fish should be reintroduced as a much more realistic and viable solution.
B.t.w Dan is right the redband does look like a species of rainbow trout.
Rainbow Trout:
Redband Trout:
Other than that, do as you please. I have not believed that you could be convinced of anything ever since you decided that mako sharks were the dominant predator. It's an interesting argument, but it's not worth doing any more work for.
Astonishingly I had to argue quite a lot to establish humans as the dominant animal on the planet. Mako sharks are still, in my view, the topmost pelagic predator, and from memory you agreed at the time. They also happen to be evil hence I included a picture of a fishing vessel catching them for food at the end of that thread. Delectable!
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Went back to look at your desert map. The Inside Desert is part of what is listed as the Great Basin Desert, except that it really isn't part of it. The Great Basin is a region that doesn't drain to either the Atlantic or Pacific, whereas what streams do exist in the Inside Desert and the other Idaho deserts all drain into the Snake River, which flows to the Pacific, and therefore aren't included in the Great Basin.
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That's not even a roar! It's just speaking in its own language.
"Hey ladies I r here at the moment, come over and check me out later, meow."
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Or "Damn, wonder where I can find a nice fat cow to kill, cause damn! I'm hungry!"
Nah, the farms are usually fenced off to stop the cats from getting to the livestock. That's something you'd say.
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Hmmm, Katy Perry - her real name is Katheryn Elizabeth "Katy" Hudson - and she definitely reminds me of the House of Windsor and Catherine Elizabeth "Kate" Middleton in particular, and they are both sweeties.
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Thus for the trees to have any substantial effect on the water temperature they would have to shade the water in the middle of the day when the sun is directly overhead and that is an absurd proposition especially in a desert.
It's only absurd because you went online, found a couple pictures of rivers found in deserts, and lacking any experience, extrapolated them to every other stream in every desert. I'm not sure which part of your statement was more wrong, but if you had any practical experience you'd know that the majority of the desert streams are shaded in part or in whole from high noon sun. You may also be aware that flowing systems can react in VERY peculiar ways such that your guess at how temperatures will respond is pretty nearly worthless. I camped by a streambed that became a flowing stream right around dusk, but was totally dry the rest of the day. When do you suppose the maximum temperature of that stream was? Broad generalizations are kind of hard to make, but you can pretty much say that water will be warmer later than noon. Flowing streams may reach a peak heat much later than the air...or not.
Although you are concerned with the survival of non desert species in the desert like the redband I am not as that is not game that I can win as Dan Schill pointed out in the video I posted re the redband trout. The issue I focused on was that the majority of native desert fish are extinct or endangered and therefore endangered native species of desert fish should be reintroduced as a much more realistic and viable solution.
Reintroduced to what? They weren't there in the first place, so if you introduced them they wouldn't be native...by definition. The redbands ARE native.
B.t.w Dan is right the redband does look like a species of rainbow trout.
Rainbow Trout:
Oh good. Then all the genetic samples we've taken over the last few decades don't lie.
Astonishingly I had to argue quite a lot to establish humans as the dominant animal on the planet. Mako sharks are still, in my view, the topmost pelagic predator, and from memory you agreed at the time.
I never agreed or even came close to agreeing. The evidence ALL pointed to the fact that you were wrong, and it does so even more today.
if you had any practical experience you'd know that the majority of the desert streams are shaded in part or in whole from high noon sun.
I had a good chuckle after reading that Sharky, surely you weren't being serious. =)
You may also be aware that flowing systems can react in VERY peculiar ways such that your guess at how temperatures will respond is pretty nearly worthless.
I assumed that water will react exactly like the atmosphere and that its temperature will rise when it is irradiated by the sun, and my theory is evidenced every time I boil water so I definitely wouldn't call it worthless.
I camped by a streambed that became a flowing stream right around dusk, but was totally dry the rest of the day.
Heh, probably not too many fish in that stream eh Sharky?
Originally Posted by Witis
Although you are concerned with the survival of non desert species in the desert like the redband I am not as that is not game that I can win as Dan Schill pointed out in the video I posted re the redband trout. The issue I focused on was that the majority of native desert fish are extinct or endangered and therefore endangered native species of desert fish should be reintroduced as a much more realistic and viable solution.
Reintroduced to what? They weren't there in the first place, so if you introduced them they wouldn't be native...by definition. The redbands ARE native.
The problem, as Dan Schill explained, is that the redbands are not a desert fish and as a result they only have a chance of making it by living in or near cool springs which are quite rare in the desert. Thus a better strategy is to reintroduce endangered native desert species that are good eating.
Originally Posted by Witis
B.t.w Dan is right the redband does look like a species of rainbow trout.
Oh good. Then all the genetic samples we've taken over the last few decades don't lie.
They are both trout, they are both native to north America, they both look the same, so exactly how much genetic difference is there Sharky?
Originally Posted by Witis
Astonishingly I had to argue quite a lot to establish humans as the dominant animal on the planet. Mako sharks are still, in my view, the topmost pelagic predator, and from memory you agreed at the time.
I never agreed or even came close to agreeing. The evidence ALL pointed to the fact that you were wrong, and it does so even more today.
Oh really you've changed you mind? Ok tell me Sharky: what, in your opinion, is the topmost pelagic predator besides Man?
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Ok when I scrolled up I eventually found the snake river that you were talking about.
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I had a good chuckle after reading that Sharky, surely you weren't being serious.
True, I should have stated that that is true for deserts with which I am familiar, which means those in this area. It's true for most of the deserts in the US, but I think there are a few streams for which it is not true.
I assumed that water will react exactly like the atmosphere and that its temperature will rise when it is irradiated by the sun, and my theory is evidenced every time I boil water so I definitely wouldn't call it worthless.
Right. Liquids and gasses act the same. Streams are excellent models for the atmosphere, and your stove is an excellent stand-in for a flowing stream.
The problem, as Dan Schill explained, is that the redbands are not a desert fish and as a result they only have a chance of making it by living in or near cool springs which are quite rare in the desert. Thus a better strategy is to reintroduce endangered native desert species that are good eating.
Water is quite rare in the desert, so you are technically right that cool springs are rare in the desert. What water does flow is often cool springs. The redbands are native species in the streams they are found in. There aren't "native" species to reintroduce.
They are both trout, they are both native to north America, they both look the same, so exactly how much genetic difference is there Sharky?
None, Bambi. Redbands and rainbows are the same species.
Oh really you've changed you mind? Ok tell me Sharky: what, in your opinion, is the topmost pelagic predator besides Man?
I'm not going to start that up again, not even for the post race. People reveal little bits about themselves through their posts. Since you've said nothing about who you are, I built up a model of who I thought you were based on what you posted: That particular thread led me to believe that you grew up in a city and haven't traveled much in your life. I figured that you were an American teenager, but have changed my mind a little bit on both points. Niya appears to believe that you're a total fraud and doesn't believe anything you say, but I don't agree on that point. I think you DO believe everything you say, but I'm thinking you probably aren't American, and are either younger than 30 (probably younger than 25) or over 60. If you are the latter, then you'd have to have spent your life in some narrow profession, possibly a branch of mechanical engineering (that field has made some impressive mistakes when it comes to the real world). Whatever it is, you have an impressive ability to take a very small amount of information from the world, build theories of how the world works (which are largely Disney-fascist by the definition you provided), then zealously guard them against any actual data.
if you had any practical experience you'd know that the majority of the desert streams are shaded in part or in whole from high noon sun.
Originally Posted by Witis
I had a good chuckle after reading that Sharky, surely you weren't being serious.
True, I should have stated that that is true for deserts with which I am familiar, which means those in this area. It's true for most of the deserts in the US, but I think there are a few streams for which it is not true.
You may also be aware that flowing systems can react in VERY peculiar ways such that your guess at how temperatures will respond is pretty nearly worthless.
Originally Posted by Witis
I assumed that water will react exactly like the atmosphere and that its temperature will rise when it is irradiated by the sun, and my theory is evidenced every time I boil water so I definitely wouldn't call it worthless.
Right. Liquids and gasses act the same. Streams are excellent models for the atmosphere, and your stove is an excellent stand-in for a flowing stream.
And that happened just when I thought I would never see Sharky agree with me about anything. =)
Originally Posted by Witis
Although you are concerned with the survival of non desert species in the desert like the redband I am not as that is not game that I can win as Dan Schill pointed out in the video I posted re the redband trout. The issue I focused on was that the majority of native desert fish are extinct or endangered and therefore endangered native species of desert fish should be reintroduced as a much more realistic and viable solution.
Reintroduced to what? They weren't there in the first place, so if you introduced them they wouldn't be native...by definition. The redbands ARE native.
Originally Posted by Witis
The problem, as Dan Schill explained, is that the redbands are not a desert fish and as a result they only have a chance of making it by living in or near cool springs which are quite rare in the desert. Thus a better strategy is to reintroduce endangered native desert species that are good eating.
Water is quite rare in the desert, so you are technically right that cool springs are rare in the desert. What water does flow is often cool springs. The redbands are native species in the streams they are found in. There aren't "native" species to reintroduce.
Heh, no, Dan indicated that the problem is that the redband trout can only survive right next to the cool spring in the desert i.e. they are not adapted for the desert unlike some of the other endangered species of native desert fish.
Originally Posted by Witis
B.t.w Dan is right the redband does look like a species of rainbow trout.
Oh good. Then all the genetic samples we've taken over the last few decades don't lie.
Originally Posted by Witis
They are both trout, they are both native to north America, they both look the same, so exactly how much genetic difference is there Sharky?
None, Bambi. Redbands and rainbows are the same species.
Agreeing with me twice in one post that has to be a minor miracle. =D
People reveal little bits about themselves through their posts. Since you've said nothing about who you are, I built up a model of who I thought you were based on what you posted: That particular thread led me to believe 4that you grew up in a city and haven't traveled much in your life. I figured that you were an American teenager, but have changed my mind a little bit on both points. Niya appears to believe that you're a total fraud and doesn't believe anything you say, but I don't agree on that point.
But Niya would say anything so that isn't much of a point.
I think you DO believe everything you say, but I'm thinking you probably aren't American, and are either younger than 30 (probably younger than 25) or over 60. If you are the latter, then you'd have to have spent your life in some narrow profession, possibly a branch of mechanical engineering (that field has made some impressive mistakes when it comes to the real world). Whatever it is, you have an impressive ability to take a very small amount of information from the world, build theories of how the world works (which are largely Disney-fascist by the definition you provided), then zealously guard them against any actual data.
I am happy that you were impressed, although I have to reiterate that I am obviously not a fascist.
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Nah, I double checked, he definitely agreed with me, twice in one post! =)
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At this point, I have concluded that you are either a fraud (as Niya believes), or 'not all there' in some way. I've had enough of it, though. So, unless Bambi wants to talk about who they are, I will henceforth simply ignore everything he/she says.
I was thinking it could be a "rogue" member - some kind of alias. But I cannot see a pattern with these posts that would allow me to connect it to someone already on the forum.
Lots and lots of time and googling for links - more words then I would ever consider writing in a post!
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Had an interesting meal with an evocative (and rather gross) name: Pakistani old clothes.
It was basically a beef roast slow cooked in a variety of spices for nine hours, then served over rice. Everyone felt that the recipe could have been better, but we didn't all agree on how. My sister felt it was bitter, which wasn't my view on it. My view was a bit hard to put into words, so I didn't, at the time. It was roughly that the flavor didn't last. Within seconds of taking a bite, I could barely remember what it had tasted like. Some of the spice tastes lingered, but most of the flavor just ended abruptly. It was pretty odd, so I wasn't sure what to add that would make it last.
Some of the spice tastes lingered, but most of the flavor just ended abruptly. It was pretty odd, so I wasn't sure what to add that would make it last.
That's good in most cases for a chef, so long as the meal isn't to filling. It causes a bit of a curiosity that gets a customer back into the door to try and determine what it was that they tasted.
I turned onto I-90 from I-5 a few days back. The sign said that Issaquah and Spokane were in that direction. Why choose those two? I can understand the first one, but the sign should also have included Boston. After all, it's the start of I-90, why not post the other end? Spokane is kind of a random choice, since it's "a city a ways along the highway", so Boston would be a more entertaining choice.
That's good in most cases for a chef, so long as the meal isn't to filling. It causes a bit of a curiosity that gets a customer back into the door to try and determine what it was that they tasted.
Oh, I could identify much of what I tasted at the time, it just didn't linger, which made it less satisfying. It was like I was saying after each bite: I ate some beef...or did I...I can't remember.
That's also the only reason I know to drink Moxie: There's nothing else in the world that tastes like it, so it is a very unique and curious experience, yet it's also so nasty that there's little reason to repeat it. Bottled, liquid, dust, in soda form: What an interesting idea. I've recently found it in a local store, and am tempted to buy a bottle, just because it is such an odd taste. I just can't justify buying 12 oz, though. If they would sell 2 oz bottles, I'd get one, just for the memory.
I'm not surprised. The first time I heard of it was from an old guy I worked for. He was pretty cool, and had a functioning water mill with a wooden overhot wheel powering some saws, and a iron, horizontal, turbine powering some other machinery. One day he told me that he was really excited because some company had brought back Moxie, a soda that he loved as a youth. He was 70-80 at the time, so his youth had been a few years back. Naturally, when he offered me a glass, I accepted. Fortunately, it was a very small glass, as I could barely get through it politely.
Since that time, I have seen Moxie sold only in very few places. For a time, you could find it in the northeast, but now you have to go to a store that sells unusual or craft sodas. Basically, if you can find Rat Bastard Root Beer (funny name, good taste...let's see if the filter allows that word), then look for Moxie with an orange label.
Originally Posted by Niya
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