This p***es me off

[filburt1]

http://www.cnn.com/2001/TECH/ptech/0...eut/index.html

I think that the RIAA is just a bunch of arrogant a**holes, now.

[barrk]

Yep....pure unadulterated BS!

[denniswrenn]

That's ****ed up, I usually rip all my CDs to MP3 so I can listen to them on my computer(without having to keep switching CDs)...

[filburt1]

Lucky us, if you have a sound card that does full duplexing (outputting from the sound card right back in, like the SB Live), you can get around this. But then you have to play the stupid thing in real time.

I HATE THE RIAA AND THE MPAA! ARG!

[Destined Soul]

Somehow, I doubt that they'll block legit people from playing CDs on their computer... and simply because of this it will not be difficult to get around the technology.

If they can make it so your normal cd-player program will work on your PC, what's to say that you can't record a .wav using a similar technique? (Once you're there, it's a piece of cake to get it to .mp3 format.)

I wouldn't be so worried. Like one of my sayings goes: if one person can get in, anyone can get in.

Destined.

[filburt1]

The CDs will PLAY fine, they're trying to block people from ripping them.

[denniswrenn]

Well, with a little more trouble I can get around it, just plug a two sided 1/8" jack into the microphone and speaker jack in my SB Live! MP3+ then use their recorder program to turn each one of the songs into a wav.

[filburt1]

Originally posted by filburt1
Lucky us, if you have a sound card that does full duplexing (outputting from the sound card right back in, like the SB Live), you can get around this. But then you have to play the stupid thing in real time.

Me already said that.

[denniswrenn]

Me no give a ****

[filburt1]

Me laugh. Ha ha ha. Ha ha. Ha.

[aknisely]

Any company should do its best to protect their intellectual property from theft, and companies of the RIAA are no different.

Several problems arise with this. When you have music stealing engines such as Napster, you have to put more efforts into protecting yourself. For example, when car theft increases in your neighbourhood, you might want to invest in a car alarm. This is both expensive (copy protection and car alarms are quite pricey, especially ones that work) and restrictive (you can't copy your CD's (easily, anyway) and you have to remember to (de-)activate your car alarm).

The second problem is obviously the issue here, since no one really cares how much money the big record companies spend. Fair use laws demand that I be able to make sufficient copies to satisfy my personal demand for the material. This copy-protection illegally restricts my ability to make personal copies of my legally licensed music.

Similarily, it would be as if I had bought a car alarm with a laser gun that cut of the hand of anyone that walks past my car. It deters theft, but restricts the rights of people to walk on the sidewalk and view my amazing autombile.

The real question here is that if car theft becomes such a problem that everyone is stealing cars, would it warrant the use of such a car alarm?

[parksie]

They're not just being stupid, they've got their heads so far up their own arses they can see the BS before they say it

If that happens, WMP will be cracked extremely quickly. They don't seem to realise that ANYTHING can be cracked - look at what happened to DVDs.

Anyway, they'd have to include a compressed file at about 512kbps or it would be pointless since the quality would be so low.

[siyan]

Geez...DeCSS (DVD protection) was cracked...you think they can't find a way around this?

And thats assuming they get by the PR hell that will come...

-C

[aknisely]

I don't believe that music companies have anything to fear about public relations, as long as the actions are taken by RIAA. Nobody buys music from RIAA, only the companies that belong to it. The major music companies aren't mentioned in the news too often, and when they are, it's minimal. Most people don't know which company produces the music they listen to, so it doesn't matter much to them. Public relations won't be a problem.

[filburt1]

Originally posted by parksie
...look at what happened to DVDs.

I have a DVD taking up 7.57 GB on my hard drive.

[vb5prog]

I say we should all stop buying cds kinda like a boycott. Just listen to internet radio or real radios and share already existing mp3's through the unstopable no central server setup of any quality p2p program. We'll just wait till they're ****ed then they'll have to switch back but everyone would have to do this for it to work.

[goudabuddha]

Bottom line, whoever thought this up is a money-grubbing fudge-packing gaylord pothead. I can't believe that those f***ers are so greedy. Hell, I already have ten CDs full of MP3s, but I'm still really pissed. Sure, we'll be able to get around it, but it'll be more work. I dono, it probably wont pan out...but if it does...

I say that we pool our money and bribe Sadaam Hussein to come over here and nuke 'em. That'd be cool.

[JungleMan]

SDMI was "unbreakable" also, look what happened.

[Jimmy Changas]

Why is it the consumer has to suffer the wrath of the company in question??

Like microsoft.. they have their new XP OS designed to work this way, i am not totally sure of this because i read this a few weeks ago.. and i forgot exactly how:

You buy XP..then you have to enter a serial code..then you STILL have to go online and register again your XP to microsoft. com and you only have 30 days to do this...and if you dont register it..it will stop working.


Now the RIAA is pulling this crap?

It's like saying you dont really buy the CD..

I say we all should boycott this RIAA crap..and whoever else complies with this "anti-piracy" ****.

[filburt1]

Originally posted by goudabuddha
I say that we pool our money and bribe Sadaam Hussein to come over here and nuke 'em. That'd be cool.

He he he, KABOOM! He he he...

[siyan]

Let us not worry, because any protection scheme will be broken eventually...eventually meaning 2 hours to 2 weeks...

-C

[aknisely]

"You buy XP..then you have to enter a serial code..then you STILL have to go online and register again your XP to microsoft. com and you only have 30 days to do this...and if you dont register it..it will stop working"

Right. When the product is activated, it takes a snapshot of your hardware and components. If you change too much of your hardware and re-activate, it'll think you gave your serial to your friend and it'll send the Microsoft SWAT Team to investigate.

I'm thinking that's border-line fair use, depending on the problems one might have if he was called by Microsoft and had to explain what components he used to have or whatnot.

[ShIzO]

im so *****ing sick of this sh*t!
look at Morpheus, this thingy has everything starting from MP3, movies, newest software , anything you want... i love it!
so they're going to go after Morpheus in a while, they will find the way to stop it, but in the midtime something new is going to come up. and the story newer ends.... this's so stupid!!!

when will they realize that there is no solution to mousic/movie/software swapping????? when?

[siyan]

Originally posted by ShIzO
im so *****ing sick of this sh*t!
look at Morpheus, this thingy has everything starting from MP3, movies, newest software , anything you want... i love it!
so they're going to go after Morpheus in a while, they will find the way to stop it, but in the midtime something new is going to come up. and the story newer ends.... this's so stupid!!!

when will they realize that there is no solution to mousic/movie/software swapping????? when?

Heeh...and the suits always stick it to MS when they know ****-all about computers...

-C

[chenko]

Piracy has gone on for ages, and are these companies failing? M$, Macromedia? nope? ummmmm


Me thinks i better get one of these CDs and start hacking.

Thou all i have to do is plug the optical cable from my stereo into my optical port on my sound card and i get a ncie quality

[chenko]

Originally posted by aknisely
"You buy XP..then you have to enter a serial code..then you STILL have to go online and register again your XP to microsoft. com and you only have 30 days to do this...and if you dont register it..it will stop working"

Right. When the product is activated, it takes a snapshot of your hardware and components. If you change too much of your hardware and re-activate, it'll think you gave your serial to your friend and it'll send the Microsoft SWAT Team to investigate.

I'm thinking that's border-line fair use, depending on the problems one might have if he was called by Microsoft and had to explain what components he used to have or whatnot.

and there is probaly a crack to get around this...

[filburt1]

There might be

[ShIzO]

there is!

[abdul]

yes, I download the crack and I was working but XP is no use to me if I dont have internet access

a little off topic..

I just noted that windows xp runs great on my 64MB RAM but windows 2000 does not.

Its mean that windows xp manages memory better than windows 2000

[ShIzO]

anyway,

i'm not planning to go for XP with all these hussles, ***** it! i'm perfectly happy with my Win2k, which believe it or not is the most stable version of windows i have ever seen.

microsoft can take their sh*ty registration and stick it in bill's arse!

thank you!

[aknisely]

"when will they realize that there is no solution to mousic/movie/software swapping????? when?"

When will theives like you realize that stealing is wrong?

[filburt1]

When will I stop paying $15 for one song on a CD when the CD costs literally several cents to make?

[aknisely]

"When will I stop paying $15 for one song on a CD when the CD costs literally several cents to make?"

CD's cost much more than the actual price of the disc. You have to pay the arists, the recording staff, the producers, the engineers, everyone who works at the record company, and THEN pay for the disc press. After that, the music store take its cut. There's probably more people involved with making a CD than you could imagine, and all of that has to pay for.

It's foolish to think that the price of something like software or music is based solely on how much the physical medium costs to manufacture.

[filburt1]

But is complete BS. Most of the songs on a CD I don't care about. I just want one I heard on the radio or in a TV commercial. I'm not paying $15 for just 4 minutes worth of music!

BTW, I have 2 GB of MP3s. They have their own partition, the K: drive on my computer.

[aknisely]

"But is complete BS. Most of the songs on a CD I don't care about. I just want one I heard on the radio or in a TV commercial. I'm not paying $15 for just 4 minutes worth of music!"

You'd better, because that's how the product comes. There's no other legal way to obtain the product.

Let's say you want to sell your PassProg thing for $30. But I don't want to pay full price for only one or two of the features that you include. I can ask you to give me a license for a reduced price if you disable some of the features or something. If you don't do that, I have no choice but to pay the full price, because you don't sell the product in any other fashion.

"BTW, I have 2 GB of MP3s. They have their own partition, the K: drive on my computer"

I'm sure you're proud of yourself. No offense mate, but you're no better than that kid who rips off a stack of CDs from the local HMV.

[filburt1]

HMV? Must be a British thing...

And PassProg 2 is free for personal use.

[aknisely]

"HMV? Must be a British thing..."

It's a Canadian music store chain.

"And PassProg 2 is free for personal use."

But assuming you wanted to sell it. Use Visual BASIC for my example if you want.

[HarryW]

"when will they realize that there is no solution to mousic/movie/software swapping????? when?"

When will theives like you realize that stealing is wrong?

When will you get off your high horse and stop preaching to the masses? I don't remember you ever saying anything positive. Jeez, lighten up.

I had a fairly length debate about this in the forum feedback section, in the thread about avatars and copyright. If you want the details of my opinion go read it there cos I can't be bothered writing it up again, but basically I don't see it as stealing in all cases. Some cases, yes, but not all.

[HarryW]

There are loads of HMVs in Britain.

[aknisely]

"When will you get off your high horse and stop preaching to the masses? I don't remember you ever saying anything positive. Jeez, lighten up."

Sorry, I understand how much of a game this must seem to you, but I think that theft is a very serious crime. Especially since most of us here are software developers.

"basically I don't see it as stealing in all cases. Some cases, yes, but not all."

In what cases? I'd like to here in what situations it's alright for you to steal something.