Sam:

The whole point of "proove the earth isn't flat" is to show that your statement contradicts itself and therefore disproves itself
I disagree.

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POSTULATION : The earth is flat
PROOF       : Cannot provide
DISPROOF    : Curcumnavigation
Where is the contradiction in that?

Show me ANY example where science has PROVED something to be true?

you Idea that the created can never outdo the creator, this goes against the whole Idea of evolution, which is pretty widly accepted as ideas go
Sam, Sam, Sam.... Since when is Evolution considered the same as Creation!?!?!?

Evolution is a force of nature, it doesn't NEED to know how things work because they simply react to the environments around them... thats why water boils, ice melts, rain condenses, clouds form...

Not because someone has PROGRAMMED them to do so... simply because that is the net effect caused by the application of external forces to the atomic structure of the item in question itself.

That humanity gives BIRTH to new children doesn't mean we CREATED those children... we simply procreated!!!

Surely you see the difference???

what you failed to address is the Ideas of randomness which was central to your argument and the proof that proof was possible
How would you like me to address randomness?

To say that the terminology of "random" is only given to something which we cannot currently understand a pattern for? That we dig a deeper level and again it is random until we develop tools and methods to explain its actions.

Here is where my personal opinion comes in. I personally think that we can continue to delve deeper and deeper into randomness, peeling away layers and exposing them to have very DISTINCT patterns and order... BUT, at some point we cannot go further and STILL there will be randomness... and it is THAT randomness which houses the ultimate consciousness of sentience. That is why I personally believe we can never create an Artificial Intelligence that is nothing more than a big computer following OUR rules.

Harry:

I think you'll find that I said religion can be a good thing because it encourages a good system of morals
Does it?

- Mass Murder (French Inquisition)
- Elitism (OUR religion is the TRUE religion)
- Xenophobia (You are Heathens)
- Control (We must avangelise to the natives of islands)

I could go on ALL day about the attrocities done under the banner of religion and NONE of them have to do with a good system of morals.

religion generally encourages a good system of morals.
Hehehehe.... Funny how you have now added that word "generally"... so are you sticking by what you said or now tempering it with the understanding that it wasn't as absolute as you had first said it?

And then again you are assuming that the best system we could create would be based on our own brains.
Am I? I was the one that kept telling people AI using our brains as examples wont work... I am concerned that you keep finding things that I dont say and "assume" that is what I am saying when my words themselves show otherwise.

I want to ask you a question... one that is more important you answer than any other...

"Do you accept that I have always said using the human brain as the base is NOT feasible and that your assumption that I have is incorrect?"

Your answer to this question will tell me if conversation is even worth persuing if you even get the most basic facts of what I say wrong. (I know you will see this as me trying to "show you"... but it is your prejudice against my often hostile approach of scientific analysis and not the fact that I think I am any better than anyone else... I said in the beginning that if you can't show me something that stands out as being obvious then I wont believe you. I know my methods come across as aggressive, that is a flaw of mine but please don't misinterpret them)

Just out of interest, if you think that it is impossible for a creator to create something 'greater' than themselves, who or what is it that you think created the human race?
Why does it need a "creator"???

If you read above we exist because of the universe. Factors came into play, a perfect set of environmental factors etc, etc such that the existing matter moulded to compensate for those factors and humanity was produced.

Its the complex strands of proteins and DNA that contain all the information required to react to any event that effect it... Some would cause it to die, some cause it to evolve... but ALL of its requirements are already self-contained... its NOT mutation and its NOT survival of the fittest... evolution as people know it is wrong as far as I am concerned.