Sam :

What a double negative

"Prove it WASN'T flat"

That is "disprove it WAS flat"

Hence what I said was right... you can never prove something is TRUE... you can only ever disprove something.

Look at all of our great paradigm changes... ALL came as as a result of DISPROVING something we thought was absolute at the time.

As for your mathamatical axioms you have simply stated a set of RULES that we decided to adopt that can be found as some of the basic rules of nature... it doesn't PROVE that it is correct... its the INNABILITY to DISPROVE those facts that make them true.

1 + 1 = 2

I cannot PROVE that is so... but because I cannot DISPROVE it we keep it as fact.

As for AI I believe we may have the equivilent of a "Talking Parrot" with some niceties that "resemble" human idioms and behavioral traits... but it will only be that, it is still a LONG, LONG way off from something that thinks for itself.

Harry:

You started to say how religion would make us live in harmony. I then showed you how most wars were started by religion thus being the antithesis of harmony. You realised this and then pointed the finger at humanity and attempted to reduce the visibility of religion in this. A smoke screen. I am sure others would agree with me, Kedaman already did, Sam pointed out human nature is not war.

So I repeat... nice divergance. I would assertain from this that you are a person who believes in God... Am I right?

I beg your pardon, I'm confusing myself? No no, YOU are talking about something that is not different. What makes you think you're so special (by you I mean the human race) that you are already the most complex system possible?
This statement confirms your confusing yourself.

Who EVER said anything about US being the most complex system?!?!??!

I simply said that "WE CANNOT CREATE A MORE COMPLEX SYSTEM THAN OURSELVES"

That you misunderstood this shows that the original points are something you are no longer discussing.

Our original discussion was like this :

- Humans creating AI
- That AI knowing something we dont

How on earth did you ever get out of all that an assumption that we are the most complex of all systems!?!? I do believe you are placing your own views on this which was exactly my scepticism in the beginning.

Did I not say "The CREATED can never outdo the CREATOR"?

Try to explain how what you are now saying fits in with these simple statements which were the whole basis of our original conversation and I will accept you are not confused