Malaysia flight 370

[Shaggy Hiker]

Illegal UFO aliens. None of those green guys seem to have green cards. I guess it clashes with their skin. After all, if they aren't dashing about, they are habberdashing about.

[techgnome]

What's been found is debris... and unconfirmed at that... even still finding debris still doesn't find the crash... doing that is still going to take time... but at least that should be the easy (easier) part... they can use currents, winds, and various other charts to work the drift backwards and find the point of impact.

-tg

[abhijit]

What's been found is debris... and unconfirmed at that... even still finding debris still doesn't find the crash... doing that is still going to take time... but at least that should be the easy (easier) part... they can use currents, winds, and various other charts to work the drift backwards and find the point of impact.

-tg

They need to add Clive Cussler's research guy to the investigation committee.

[techgnome]

They need to add Clive Cussler's research guy to the investigation committee.

Rudi could find it in a couple of days, but it hasn't been down long enough... but at the rate thinks are going, Dirk and Al could have found it, raised the Titanic and be back on the beach.

-tg

[szlamany]

From what I heard days ago the currents are erratic - meaning the debris field is going to be close to useless in helping find the crash location - and then you depth possibilities in that part of the southern Indian ocean actually exceed the capabilities of the ping-finder hardware that isn't even going to reach the area for like 10 more days.

Seems we are going to be using side-way searching sonar and going old school on this one...

[Niya]

UFO? Undocumented foreign official??

ROFL.....

This is why CC needs reps!!

[Nightwalker83]

I believe Aliens abducted the plane mid flight.

They are probably being mass anal probed as we type.

[Shaggy Hiker]

Oh now, THAT will be a real comfort to the families.

[3com]

Hi guys
I must have lost the ticket to participate in this discussion, however I have a theory that I want to share with you.
I have written a macro that explains it better.

Const fly As String = "Flight 370"
Const Ocean As String = "Indian Ocean"
Dim SeaDepth As VeryVeryLong
Dim hijack  As Boolean
Dim aliens As Boolean
Dim terrorists As Boolean

Private Sub OnAction()
    If fly Then
        hijack = True
        terrorists = True
        OnAction2 (fly)
    End If
End Sub

Private Sub OnAction2(nfly As String)
    SeaDepth = 4000
    
    If terrorists Then
        Plane.AvoidRadar = True
        throw.CountermeasuresOverSea = True
    ElseIf aliens Then
        FileType = X_File
        Call Area53("Fox_Mulder and Dana_Scully")
    End If
        
    If throw.CountermeasuresOverSea Or Plane.AvoidingRadar.LostSomePieces Then
        Dim rng As Range
        Dim nDebris As Long
        Dim Debris
        Dim DebrisFound
        Set rng = Range.Cells(3, 75)
        Debris = CountermeasuresOverSea
        nDebris = CountermeasuresOverSea.Count
If nDebris > 0 Then
    Set DebrisFound = rng.Find(Debris, LookIn:=xlValues, SerachOrder:=Undefined, SearchDirection:=xlNext)
        If DebrisFound Is Nothing Then SearchAgainAndAgain = True
    While SearchAgainAndAgain
        This.terrorists.Time.Gain
        targetForAttack = Unknown
        Plane.PrepareForAttack = True
        Plane.OnStandBy = True
        Passengers.DistributeInDifferentsPlace = True
        Passengers.OnStandBy = True
    Wend
End If
        GC.Collect (Debris)
End Sub

Private Sub Area53()
    Dim ToDo
    ToDo = "Forcing them to look at all the chapters of the house on the prairie, until they say where's the plane, or they die in the attempt."
    If allTheirFriendsComesToRescueThem Then
using diplomacy
    Call MyTwoCents("Jack Nicholson")
end using
    If Not diplomacy Then
        'Resorting to the old school
        Call Red_Movie_Stuff
    Else: Exit Sub
    End If
End Sub

[boops boops]

Sadly there is another possibility:

If terrorists Then
        Plane.AvoidRadar = True
        throw.CountermeasuresOverSea = True
    ElseIf aliens Then
        FileType = X_File
        Call Area53("Fox_Mulder and Dana_Scully")
    ElseIf Crew.Enabled = False
        Do Until Fuel = 0
            Ping
        Loop
        Plane.Dispose()
        Crew.Dispose()
        Passengers.Dispose()
        Throw New BlackBoxNotFoundException        
    End If

BB

[szlamany]

That surely is the proper order of these statements...

        Plane.Dispose()
        Crew.Dispose()
        Passengers.Dispose()

[Niya]

Hi guys
I must have lost the ticket to participate in this discussion, however I have a theory that I want to share with you.
I have written a macro that explains it better.

Const fly As String = "Flight 370"
Const Ocean As String = "Indian Ocean"
Dim SeaDepth As VeryVeryLong
Dim hijack  As Boolean
Dim aliens As Boolean
Dim terrorists As Boolean

Private Sub OnAction()
    If fly Then
        hijack = True
        terrorists = True
        OnAction2 (fly)
    End If
End Sub

Private Sub OnAction2(nfly As String)
    SeaDepth = 4000
    
    If terrorists Then
        Plane.AvoidRadar = True
        throw.CountermeasuresOverSea = True
    ElseIf aliens Then
        FileType = X_File
        Call Area53("Fox_Mulder and Dana_Scully")
    End If
        
    If throw.CountermeasuresOverSea Or Plane.AvoidingRadar.LostSomePieces Then
        Dim rng As Range
        Dim nDebris As Long
        Dim Debris
        Dim DebrisFound
        Set rng = Range.Cells(3, 75)
        Debris = CountermeasuresOverSea
        nDebris = CountermeasuresOverSea.Count
If nDebris > 0 Then
    Set DebrisFound = rng.Find(Debris, LookIn:=xlValues, SerachOrder:=Undefined, SearchDirection:=xlNext)
        If DebrisFound Is Nothing Then SearchAgainAndAgain = True
    While SearchAgainAndAgain
        This.terrorists.Time.Gain
        targetForAttack = Unknown
        Plane.PrepareForAttack = True
        Plane.OnStandBy = True
        Passengers.DistributeInDifferentsPlace = True
        Passengers.OnStandBy = True
    Wend
End If
        GC.Collect (Debris)
End Sub

Private Sub Area53()
    Dim ToDo
    ToDo = "Forcing them to look at all the chapters of the house on the prairie, until they say where's the plane, or they die in the attempt."
    If allTheirFriendsComesToRescueThem Then
using diplomacy
    Call MyTwoCents("Jack Nicholson")
end using
    If Not diplomacy Then
        'Resorting to the old school
        Call Red_Movie_Stuff
    Else: Exit Sub
    End If
End Sub

Sadly there is another possibility:

If terrorists Then
        Plane.AvoidRadar = True
        throw.CountermeasuresOverSea = True
    ElseIf aliens Then
        FileType = X_File
        Call Area53("Fox_Mulder and Dana_Scully")
    ElseIf Crew.Enabled = False
        Do Until Fuel = 0
            Ping
        Loop
        Plane.Dispose()
        Crew.Dispose()
        Passengers.Dispose()
        Throw New BlackBoxNotFoundException        
    End If

BB

[Shaggy Hiker]

I'm beginning to figure this was a Payne Stewart event, too.

[3com]

ElseIf Crew.Enabled = False
Do Until Fuel = 0
Ping
Loop

Unfortunately you are right. In this case, the gas would be the result but not the cause.

a-If you have a breakdown on the plane, you communicate by radio, but the pilot did not.
We assume that the radio does not work.
b-If you have a breakdown on the plane, you seek an alternative airport, but the pilot did not.
We assume loss of control of the aircraft?
Possibly a fire on board?.
Magnetism that affected navigational instruments and communications?
The Langoliers?

I definitely prefer the theory of the terrorists, it leaves room for hope and a possible rescue of those involved. Obviously while being realistic and objective.

[Shaggy Hiker]

Loss of cabin pressure causing sudden and prompt unconsciousness on the part of the entire flight crew, as happened to Payne Stewart. The plane would then continue on until it ran out of gas. The fact that the transponder and the ACARS system shut off at the same moment suggests some kind of catastrophic event.

[dclamp]

Perhaps it continued to ascend into space and its now in orbit?

[Shaggy Hiker]

Good, perhaps it can collect some of the theories about it while it is up there. Those theories left the atmosphere weeks ago.

[dclamp]

Perhaps it left the galaxy and is traveling through deep space. Perhaps it has reached the unobservable universe by now.

[boops boops]

I heard it suggested that the crew may have noticed smoke in the cockpit. Since a fire in the body of the aircraft is almost certainly caused by an electrical fault, the protocol (according to the speaker, an experienced pilot on BBC radio) is to immediately shut off all non-vital electrical systems -- including communications -- and then switch them back in one by one, to discover which is the culprit. But a fire can grow quickly: the crew may have been overwhelmed by smoke before they had a chance to reestablish communications.

Plausible?

BB

[szlamany]

Doesn't explain the ping's that the satellites received. And the belief that the change in direction was pre-programmed.

[boops boops]

Doesn't explain the ping's that the satellites received. And the belief that the change in direction was pre-programmed.

I understood that the pings come from the engines and are meant to provide feedback on whether they are working. Presumably they cannot be disabled from the cockpit. This Reuters article gives more detail, although it's 2 weeks old.

I'm not sure what you mean about a pre-programmed change in direction. In the scenario I sketched, the crew may just have had time to turn the plane.

[szlamany]

Those pings came every hour for like 6 or 7 hours - so the plane stayed in the air a long time. I can't imagine how smoke in the cockpit would disable the pilots (who had just enough time to turn off key communication gear) and then the plane stayed in the air for 6 or 7 hours.

Over the past two weeks more analysis has been done on the ping-patterns that yielded the suggested path the plane took. That along with high-tech military radar (over the horizon) from Australia.

The turns the plane made were talked about by experts as having been pre-programmed into the navigation system.

[dbasnett]

Those pings came every hour for like 6 or 7 hours - so the plane stayed in the air a long time. I can't imagine how smoke in the cockpit would disable the pilots (who had just enough time to turn off key communication gear) and then the plane stayed in the air for 6 or 7 hours.

Over the past two weeks more analysis has been done on the ping-patterns that yielded the suggested path the plane took. That along with high-tech military radar (over the horizon) from Australia.

The turns the plane made were talked about by experts as having been pre-programmed into the navigation system.

Here is what I think is "known".

1. The plane and occupants are missing.
2. The transponder(s) stopped functioning.
3. The automated data transmission worked at some capacity. Depending on where you get your facts the FMS may or may not have been commanded to change course.
4. To date there has been nothing to point to the pilots being suicidal or terrorist.

I've had it with 'news' organizations using 'sources tell us...' Well f&#k you Wolf, get them on camera or shut up.

[wossname]

In the morning!

[szlamany]

Right now!

[3com]

On a cross-country red-eye flight from Los Angeles to Boston, ten passengers awaken to find that the crew and most of their fellow passengers have disappeared.

Source: http://stephenking.wikia.com/wiki/The_Langoliers

[SJWhiteley]

Here is what I think is "known".

1. The plane and occupants are missing.
2. The transponder(s) stopped functioning.
3. The automated data transmission worked at some capacity. Depending on where you get your facts the FMS may or may not have been commanded to change course.
4. To date there has been nothing to point to the pilots being suicidal or terrorist.

I've had it with 'news' organizations using 'sources tell us...' Well f&#k you Wolf, get them on camera or shut up.

That's a roger.

Sadly, one can get more factual information about this event from CC than watching the multitude of TV channels.

[Shaggy Hiker]

Maybe he mistook him for Roger Oevuer.

[homer13j]

Maybe he mistook him for Roger Oevuer.

"Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? "

[techgnome]

Perhaps that was the problem... they didn't get their clearance Clarence... or the vector Victor.


-tg

[dclamp]

Source: http://stephenking.wikia.com/wiki/The_Langoliers

Good movie!

[techgnome]

I would watch it, but it's Season Opener night, I'm just waiting for the game to start in about 10. Besides, who do you think you are Butros Butros by golly?

-tg

[dclamp]

go sports! Angels.

[dbasnett]

Surely having a high-level functionary saying these words

All right, good night

were the last words from MA370, when this was the actual transmission

01:19:24 ATC Malaysian Three Seven Zero contact Ho Chi Minh 120 decimal 9 Good Night
01:19:29 MAS370 Good Night Malaysian Three Seven Zero

can't be meaningful. If they are then the conspiracy should include the ATC person for incorrect terminology (9 v. niner), which obviously meant "RaiseEvent WolfBlitzerGoNuts"

Go Cardinals!

[szlamany]

Do you think they were speaking English?

[dbasnett]

Do you think they were speaking English?

To ATC, yes. English is the standard. Since they have apparently released the transcripts (using CNN as a source is problematic) the actual tape will probably follow.

[techgnome]

it would also be one-two-zero not 120... I'd just chalk it up to the transcriber.

-tg

[szlamany]

From what I just googled around they don't really "speak English" as much as they know all the functional words - in English - to work with ATC. So "good night" is a "standard ATC term".

If the pilot was saying "good night" - as in "you will never see me again, I am ditching this plane and all the passengers into the Indian ocean" - he would have probably chosen words that really meant what he planned.

The news is all about sensationalizing facts to get more viewers.

[dbasnett]

...The news is all about sensationalizing facts to get more viewers.

It isn't news then is it? I agree with TG. When (if) they release the actual recording the staff proctologist at CNN will be busy.

[szlamany]

It's all BS - I never thought otherwise.

Malaysian Airlines is government owned and the Malaysian government has a political stand in all this. No wonder it took so long for the full transcript to supposedly be released. Transparency is lacking for sure.