more religous blabber

[DNA7433]

actually the earth was only created 6000 years ago, as for the age of the universe, who knows?

[crptcblade]

I do...about 17.234556 days before the Earth was created.

[kovan]

your poof for the 6000 years is wherE?

even my ancestors go back more than 6000 years
your just shooting yourself in the foot

[DNA7433]

Dim AgeOfUniverse As Single
AgeOfUniverse = Int(Rnd() * 100) + Rnd()
MsgBox "The number of days the universe existed before earth was created: " & AgeOfUniverse

[kovan]

hmm its kinda cool your actually trying to cover it up with humor
always a good thing

[DNA7433]

two thousand years from creation to the flood, two thousand years from the flood to Jesus' birth which is 1AD, or somewhere close to there, and then 2000 years to now, that all adds up to 6000, do i have to find all the texts to prove it??

[kovan]

how do you explain that history of my people go back 12000 years?
i guess it was all made up
since its not in the bible

[crptcblade]

they were survivors, I guess.

[DNA7433]

first explain what your "history" is, do you have records of all those people's existances?

[kovan]

historians
artifacts

[DNA7433]

well unless you have a direct lineage...historians and artifacts can have the wrong dates, your "artifacts" are only 4000 years old (anything before that was destroyed in the flood), and your ancestors are only as old as 6000 years.

[kovan]

this is according to the bible

by the way
bible said it was a world flood, meaning the WHOLE earth was flooded.. if i am correct on that

"artifacts" dont even have records a world wide flood
so thats just jumbo wombo

[filburt1]

kovan, do you have a PhD in archaeology? Then shut the hell up unless you can base what you say on tangible, scientific evidence.

[DNA7433]

yes, because they were all buried, burned, and broken.

there is evidence that there was a lot of water beneath earths surface before the flood, and then it all broke free and thats where the flood came from.

so using that, if a lot of water gets together, it can do alot of powerful stuff, like move soil to bury things, break things in to tiny peices, and if it came from below the ground, then there might have been lava mixed in, and the "artifacts" could have been burned

no scientific proof on that last paragraph, just my thoughts, except for water being powerful, but that also an opinion

[kovan]

Originally posted by filburt1
kovan, do you have a PhD in archaeology? Then shut the hell up unless you can base what you say on tangible, scientific evidence.

yes i do as a matter of fact
just one i made though

[filburt1]

Originally posted by DNA7433
...if a lot of water gets together, it can do alot of powerful stuff, like move soil to bury things, break things in to tiny peices...

i.e., water pressure

[kovan]

hahaha

[DNA7433]

hey, while everyone is talking on this thread, is there any website that lists every single windows message there is?

like WM_PAINT and stuff and EM_UNDO

[filburt1]

What about the API text viewer. It can list constants too.

[aknisely]

Seeing as how we've found fossils of things that lived millions upon millions of years ago, and have proof that the earth was created billions of years ago, I'd tend to dispute the 6000 year figure. I'd also like to add that most ofwhat the Bible says is a filthy lie anyway.

[kovan]

agreed

[DNA7433]

no you don't have proof
no im not gonna argue the carbon dating method because...
no i don't have a degree in chemistry

NO!

[kovan]

dna
shouldnt you be researching?

[aknisely]

no you don't have proof
no im not gonna argue the carbon dating method because...
no i don't have a degree in chemistry

NO!

You couldn't prove something if God came down here and told you himself.

Hey, what a nice idea! God, come down and tell me I'm going to hell. Tell it right to my face. I dare you. Step up!!

[DNA7433]

i am not gonna be swayed from my faith, but i would like someone to provide proof of all these issues you talk about

it does seem like christians are only interested in faith, "you must have faith", and they can't explain anything. i would like to know the explainations of all these things, but since im only 16 years old, my knowledge only goes so far, and there isn't much i can do to dig up answers except bug other people to find them out for me

[kovan]

bugs in you religion
sounds like ms product to me

[DNA7433]

yeah...

Bill Gates created the Bible...

then when the world is involved in religous disputes he quietly takes over with his other company Microsoft.

[aknisely]

You mean MSDN?

[Tygur]

Ok, I'm coming into this very late. I want to coment on the discussion between kovan and DNA7433.

First off, DNA7433, you asked for this. you have to be very careful about what you say and do as much research as you can before you say anything. If you can't do research and support your claims, then how to you expect to convince anybody of anything? People will basically look down on you unless you can support your claims. Learn about carbon dating and chemistry and all that. If you're young, learning should be easier.

Now, kovan, can you prove to me that people existed 6000 years ago or more? I'm not looking for proof that animals or plants existed then. I'm asking about real people. I'm going to have to do some research to confirm DNA7433's claim about when people were created, but I'd like to know why you're so sure that people existed so long ago?

[Tygur]

DNA7433
By the way, if you really think you know the bible, I'd like to talk to you about the bible's standpoint on heaven and hell. Specifically, we don't go to either when we die and hell doesn't exist.

As a matter of fact, the existence of a hell is contrary to our view of God. How can a loving God make us go through eternal torment? It just doesn't fit.

[Behemoth]

Every written record in existence is going to contain the bias of the author - the bible is one such document - the "facts" are going to be biased. The flood is claimed to have covered the earth - is it not simply possible that it covered the known world, and not the entire world? the language to differentiate the two is very similar, but both have very different meaning.

I'm not especially faithful - hell, im agnostic, but I'm prepared to accept the bible as a fairly interesting piece of work, and not slag it off as untrustworthy.

Kovan - no offence, and I've not read the Qu'ran, so I don't know, but can you vouch for every single word written therein? I know I wouldn't be able to with yesterdays newspaper!

[simonm]

Behemoth

Every written record in existence is going to contain the bias of the author - the bible is one such document - the "facts" are going to be biased.

Don't you mean authors? The bible had many authors, it is a collection of many different letters and books by different people. Some of which are anonymous such as the first five books of the bible (including Genesis) which funnilly enough, Christianity, Jewdaism and Islam all share.
Funny how so much stock is placed in something when nobody even knows who wrote it.

I'm not especially faithful - hell, im agnostic, but I'm prepared to accept the bible as a fairly interesting piece of work, and not slag it off as untrustworthy.

but, in my mind, a book who's author is anomymous is untrustworthy.

[Behemoth]

I suppose untrustworthy was the wrong word - after all I have no reason to place trust in it. I really don't care how many horses Solomon had or what %age of land was covered during the flood.

However, the identity of the author is not an issue - otherwise people wouldnt use noms-de-plume.

[simonm]

However, the identity of the author is not an issue - otherwise people wouldnt use noms-de-plume.

The above statement is lost on me. What do you mean by "noms-de-plume"?

[Behemoth]

By noms-de-plume I mean pen names, or any other method of obscuring an authors identity.

To some degree that can even include usernames in here - for all intents and purposes, I am anonymous, but you hold some value in my comments (I hope )

[simonm]

Behemoth

To some degree that can even include usernames in here - for all intents and purposes, I am anonymous, but you hold some value in my comments (I hope )

Yes, I do hold value in yours (and everone elses) comments in here although I do take everything with a pinch of salt. But if you are passing on what you claim to be the word of God, your true identity would be important.

[DNA7433]

you're right Tygur, we don't go to either heaven or Hell when we die, we just sit there in the ground.

now about the loving God sending us to Hell:
God shows us His love through free will, He gives us the ability to chose on our own, if we want to chose God then we can have enternal life, but if we reject Him then we have automatically chosen Satan, thus Hell.

So, when Jesus comes to earth for the second time, and don't be fooled by false christs, one of the major differences, at least i think so, is that He will not touch the ground because it is full of sin, in other words i guess that means He's gonna be floating,
anyways the dead will be brought to judgement, then the living. And it really doesn't matter what you have done in life, as long as you "accept Jesus as your savior". See, christians have that different lifestyle because it is displeasing to God to live in a sinful manner, but it is not what saves us in the end.

Also a side note, Hell is not eternal, its finite as is everything else in this world.

And we do know who wrote the first 5 books of the Bible, Moses.

[DNA7433]

I have already taken chemistry in school, i know about alpha and beta decay, i know about carbon dating, but im not gonna argue it with the same christian viewpoint that it is inaccurate and i don't have a chemistry degree to come up with another answer, so im gonna stay away from that and argue the other points

[simonm]

DNA7433

God shows us His love through free will, He gives us the ability to chose on our own, if we want to chose God then we can have enternal life, but if we reject Him then we have automatically chosen Satan, thus Hell.

This is a typical attempt to polerise the issue of chistianity. They don't like people saying they don't believe in God or Satan so they say we have to choose. Why should we choose?
Saying that we must be satanists if we do not choose God is just as wrong as a satanist saying we must be christians if we do not choose satan.

And we do know who wrote the first 5 books of the Bible, Moses.

You assume it must have been written by Moses since it doesn't actually say who wrote them in the bible.
But, I consider it highly unlikely that Moses did write these books as, not only does he talk about himself in the third person, he goes on to brag about his own modesty: "Moses was the meekest of all men"! If Moses wrote this sentance (taken from one of the first five books), he certainly wasn't the meekest of men was he?

[nishantp]

I think people should look beyond contradictions in the bible. I mean ya the horses and the flood are curious things but arent you ignoring the true meaning behind the bible? The teachings that the Bible offers that tell us how we should live our life and how we should treat others are much more important than some dead guys horses. Would the world not be a better place if people would "Love thy neighbour"??