i agree that these black avatars are going a bit far now, but i still support the fact that there shouldn't be a moderator in chit chat, even if i am accused of being immature (it wouldn't be the first time ), but just a small note to moderators, when you load up the main page and there are the links to all of the forums, in the column on the far right that says moderators, there are no names in there, is this because you are not online, or has john forgot to add you there ???