well, thank you for your input. yes i understand about all you said, and i even asked for someone to be a leader for this group because im not that great at puting all this together. i just want to be head programmer or something and i will even take orders from someone that has better leading skills than me because they know what they are doing more than me.

as for being dedicaded, i really want to finish this game that im currently working on, and it doesn't use direct x or opengl, just plain old bitblt. but i do have a feeling this game can turn out great if we just have like 4 or 5 people working on it. i understand you being skeptical in joining, but you seem like you are pretty experienced at this types of stuff so i would gladly let you be leader if you wanted. a proffesional project manager sounds good to me.

as for personal info about me:

im 16 years old, i have been programing in VB for 3 years (on and off) and i have tought myself most of the stuff i know. i still dont consider myself an expert but i think im pretty good. i currently am working on a game called "Damien's Quest" (thats not going to be the final name) and i wanted help on it because 1 man creating a game is tedious work. So the idea of creating a group came along, i dont want something huge, just about 5 people would do great. to many people makes it hard to manage, plus we aren't going to be a corporation right? so i just needed about 2 programmer (i am one), 1 or 2 artists (none so far), and 1 or 2 writers/idea inputers.

so far i have been offered everything but an artist, so i just need and artist and we can start this small group. So as you can see, the first project the group will be working on is a game. i have posted the link to it but for some reason it won't work with the "http://" on it, i did post the correct link but for some reason it doesn't like it. so just take away the "http://" in the browser and do it again, it should work.

so Paul282, do you wish to join this group? also would you want to be leader of it and control how we do things? i don't mind as long as you know what your doing. you would have major say in what we do next so i think you will like it a little.

any artists out there?!?! its not going to be hard work, i need someone to make some sprites for me!! =)