female programmers

[Nina]

I just wondered if there are some female programmers around ...
At the company where I'm working there's only me ...
(Okay, we are only 10 programmers...)

I love female programmers... .

[cady]

I am the only one out of about 8. I was the only one in all of my classes. When we all went to lunch it was always a place that had hot-wings and beer. I even had to go to Hooters with them. But being the only female is not all bad....

Cady

[Guv]

The company where I last worked had 8-10 Female programmmers, but not at the same time.

In prehistoric times there were a few female programmers, so this creature is not a modern evolutionary development, like female weight lifters.

It has been my experience that they are well mannered, intelligent, & often attractive. They are generally more interesting than male programmers and females who are not programmers.

Live long & prosper ---

The dinosaur wishes you love, luck, & laughter.

[compuGEEK]

I work for a company of 3 people and I'm the only female in the company. However, I'm not the only programmer...My boss is a programmer but he owns the company and is kept busy with running the company.

Thank God I haven't had to go to Hooters(Poor Cady!), but it sure makes me proud to be the only employee with good hygiene!

By the way, is anyone going to the VBITS conference in Chicago in May? If so, wanna get together for a girls night out?

[rammy]

Im one of 2 female programmers....the rest(around 20) are guys....it has its advantages, u know being a wonman......well, most of the time...... :-)

[rammy]

Im one of 2 female programmers....the rest(around 20) are guys....it has its advantages, u know being a woman......well, most of the time...... :-)

[XxEvilxX]

any female programmer under the age of 24 got a pic

[Juan Carlos Rey]

Remember the very first documented computer programmer in the world was a woman... ADA.

[Nitro]

Im one of 2 female programmers....the rest(around 20) are guys....it has its advantages, u know being a woman......well, most of the time...... :-)

Yeah Rammy!

I know exactly what you mean - I think.

We have a couple of female programmers at our place too -- especially one which is a 27 asian female. Extremely super attractive. She loves to dress in tight clothes and shows alot in a conservative way - not that I am complainning. Sometime, I think she is not going to work but going to a fashion show. Most of my colleagues fall head over heel and end up doing her work. I am not even sure if she knows how to program, but it is great to have her around because of her personality and enthusiasm.


One last question, does your name "Ram - Me" have anything to do with your quote? That is a question with all do respect and curiosity - not trying to make fun of you! I have alway wonder this and thought you were a guy all this time.

[Zaf Khan]

I guess its hard for women to get recognition but hey,
The world is changing and one day soon you may (its just a matter of time) turn the tables on us blokes

DocZaf
{;->

Wishing there were more women programmers....

[Gen-X]

I find this quite funny....

No wonder there aren't many female programmers when the responses to this post contains the following :

- Any female programmer under 24 got a pic?
- Love them wearing short skirts
- But its her "personality" that makes her interesting
- I love females, programmer or not
- Don't know if she can program
- They fall all over her to do her work
- Does Ram-Me mean what I think
- We had to go to Hooters
- Female programmers are "often" attractive


Sheesh!!! If I were a female I think I would completely steer clear of the computing industry with such a neanderthallic bunch of regressive MALES like us spending more time oggling their clothing (and its contents) and less time brainstorming on how to solve the latest program related problem.



Kudos to the female programmers out there, I am going out with one and I know how difficult it is for you to be recognized for what you are capable of and not for what happens to FILL the front portion of your clothing.

[Sam Finch]

You're all probably going to kill me for this but please read all of this post because the start does seem sexist if you don't read the end, i've forgotten the actual numbers so I'm just making them up but the gist of it is accurate.

The reason there are very few female programmers is that programming is a highly logic intensive skill and requires a fairly high IQ (PLEASE don't stop reading just because I said this!!) and although statistics show that women have a higher average IQ men's IQs have a higher Standard Deviation.

this means that although the average IQ of a women is higher (103 I think compared to 97 for men) a far higher % of women have IQ's between 90 and 110 so If we say you need an IQ of 115 to be a sucessful programmer a higher percentage of men would qualify than women but this would be balanced out by the higher proportion of men with IQs under 85

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I'm not going to read any more into these statistics than that but I've seen them twisted to say that women should all stay at home and do the washing up and I've seen them twisted the other way to say that all men should do manual labour and be supervized by an all female management team.

please don't quote me on the numbers by the way, I can't even remember where I got the information from but I'm pretty sure the general Idea's right.

other than that I'm afraid I'm a man but my mum was a programer back in the days of 1s and 0s before keyboards and moniters were invented, and the female programmers I've met seem to be better at taking a step back and designing the logic of a program than us barbarians who dive straight in at the deep end and wonder where the bug is when we've finished.

[Gen-X]

Sam... brave... VERY brave.

Though I have to kind of disagree that programming has any correlation to intelligence... and especially such an archaic and totally illogical measure such as an Intelligence Quotient.

I have seen some extremely THICK programmers... and I wonder how they ever got into the positions they did and it certainly wasn't down to them having high IQ's.

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Discreditation of the I.Q system (F.Y.I)

Lets say I am 15 and I am 10 years ahead of my time, which means I have the intelligence of a 25 year old. That gives me an I.Q of 167.

10 years later I am STILL 10 years ahead of my time meaning that I am 25 with the intelligence of a 35 year old. My I.Q is now 140.

Am I getting "dumber" because the amount at which I am ahead of my chronological age is not increasing proportionately TO that chronological age? I think not.

Hence the I.Q is the most irrelevant form of testing
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In my personal opinion the reason for there being fewer female programmers than males comes down to what appears to be a "trait" under which men love to "tinker with technology". We tend to have this philosophy where anything that is cutting edge, has wierd and wonderful part names becomes highly interesting to us as opposed to females in general.

How many women do you hear say "Oh man!, my car has twin exhaust, fuel injected, v8, turbo, 350 block with... blah, blah, blah".

Funny... that sounds very much like "I have a Pentium III 833 with 256MB Ram, 10GB hard drive, 40x CD rom... blah, blah, blah"...

And I know which gender has a predisposition towards BRAGGING about statistics like these

[HarryW]

From my limited experience, men and women seem to take a generally different viewpoint on technology, and for that matter any tool. A lot of blokes will say 'how does that work then?' when they hear about something new, whereas a lot of girls will ask 'what's it for?' or something along those lines. This is a real generalisation though. More guys are interested in how something works, how they can kina like, play around with it, make it do things. More girls tend to be more interested in the functionality of the tool, what it's going to actually do for them.

As I said, big generalisations here, but it may be a part of the cause of the trend we see that there are more males than females in the tech industry.

[Mark Sreeves]

My theory is that males tend to be less linguistically adept than females and consequently more likely to pursue engineering/ scientific careers because they are less dependant on er… linguistic abilities than other paths. Hence the gender imbalance.

There’s a disproportionately high number of dyslexics in engineering/ scientific fields.

XxEVILxX is proof of that

[HarryW]

yeah that's kinda true, except for politics and stuff. But you could say that's down to the balance of power in our society.

Men have competitive conversation, whereas women have cooperative conversation. This could be the root of what Mark said, since most industrial or commercial jobs that require linguistic skills are likely to require mainly cooperative conversation, which doesn't come so naturally to men. In a field like politics, everyone's always arguing (same goes for lawyers/solicitors) so maybe men find it easier, whereas women would rather not argue.

Course the theory doesn't always hold. Women somehow manage to always win arguments

[Sam Finch]

I was Just about to have a right go at Mark SReeves for saying that there was

There’s a disapointingly high number of dyslexics in engineering/ scientific fields.

isn't dyslexia fun.

[betto]

Woooow!!! Nina, your really created a forum about female programmers... but what´s the point?... I mean .. of course there are female programmers.. it' not a big news.
If your are so few that's because very probably you are the best... let me tell you something.

One time.. i met a female programmer who, besides to be beautiful an so smart, used to "mix" her programs with graphic desig, i was totally amazing when i saw her work... since then I try to program or "design" like her..

See?... they could be very original... and now.. why there are so few female programmers?. I don't know but the only what i want to say it's a pleasure to work with one of them.

betto
[email protected]

[HarryW]

*Laughs at Sam's post*

In my own company there are a mix of female/males. We have found that the girls tend to design the better forms and interfaces and the Guys cut better code. This is not always the case. We don't have Hooters, but will either get wine in, (friday after-noon meetings) or go to a Wine Bar.

The current project l am working on for a fairly major computer hardware supplier, has three programmers all male, but an equal mix of male/female business analysts.


My Boss just told me we are getting another programmer...a female.

Regards,
Jethro
"The USA was invented to give Australians something to make jokes about"

[vodovorot]

Hello Nina. I am working at the company where 12 programmers and i am only one female. I am a software developer. So we do have some female - programmers.
Olga

[Nitro]

I love working with female programmers! As they focus on the program, I get to look down their tight blouse or up their skirt.

JUST KIDDING!!! JUST KIDDING!!! JUST KIDDING!!!

I am very professional at work so please don't post a message calling me a pig. Oh well!

Actually, I like working with females because they see the projects in a different way. For some reason, when females are present on our team, the entire team bonds much better and work more efficient. Although, I mentioned this before, the prettiest female on my team, I am not sure if she knows what a keyboard is.

I just prefer not working with a bunch of lazy people. Otherwise, you can look like anything and I could care less. You can even look like a dam gorilla for all I care. Hum.... Actually, I might be insulting the gorilla!

[Sam Finch]

What's wrong with lazy people? I happen to have ME which is a medical condition which requires you to be Lazy.

[Nitro]

Ok Sam! I think you know what I mean.

[Nitro]

BTW... off of this subject for a minute Mr. API.

Do you know of an API similar to the method "SavePicture"?

[Sam Finch]

I Don't think There's an actual Function to do it. There's some code to do Something close at http://forums.vb-world.net/showthrea...threadid=13653 but I havn't really been through it completly The Basic idea is you get the binary data out of the bitmap and write the binary data to a file. I think anyway, I just wanted the bitmap bits so I could make my own bitmap with maths methods without using get/set pixel (cause it's relly slow.) I think there's another message that involves assigning the bitmap to Virtual Memory (which is like RAM but acctully on the hard drive) then you unassign the VM and set the Hard Disk space to a file. I haven't actually bothered doing eitheras I havn't actually needed to to save a picture that's not on the screen at the time, If I did then I'd probably load the bitmap into a byte array and manipulate the bytes from there. (Don't ask me exactly how just experiment)

Keeping the conversation away from VB

How Does Bob Marley Like His Donuts?






Wi'Jam in.

I know it's crap But I like it.

[Zaf Khan]

Hi Sam,
I was wondering how does one go about catching this ME thing, sounds like my kinda stuff.

DocZaf
{;->

[Sam Finch]

How to Get ME

ME is Great, it come's with some side effects such as pulling muscles by throwing a ball and anything like that plus you get knackered after doing anything but apart from that you have a doctors certificate telling you to avoid stress and exercise (Woo Hoo).

You Can't get ME straigt away though, it's a three step process.

Step 1 drink as much as you can, eat only junk food, do no serious exercise but make sure you do crazy things when your drunk.

Step 2 Contract a virus of some sort, I chose Glandular Fever but aparently Malaria works just as well, make sure it's a longish term virus but not terminal,Flu just won't work and AIDS is going too far.

Step 3 Ignore your Virus Completly, Increce your Partying and consume less vitamins than before, eating food that's past it's sell by date helps too. (A good honest Coke habit helps aswell)

Congratulations, You've got ME, also known as CFS or PVFS you should be able to tell by, Hot and cold flushes, Random muscle twitches, a lack of concentration and short term memory and other weird symptoms that can't be attributed to any particular disease.

Unfortunatly you have to wait 6 months before getting your ME Certificate but then you can take a break from work and be lazy for about 2 years (I got my Glandular Fever October 1998 and I'm still going strong)


Some tips.

Get good insurance that will pay you for not doing anything

Get Cable TV.

It's a long arduous process but it's worth it for all the lazyness.

[Zaf Khan]

Cheers Sam,

For the information you just departed to me, i must put it into practice immediately, and therefore, will phone in ill straight away.

DocZaf
{;->
Its just what I (the doctor) ordered...

[rammy]

well nitro, rammy(as its spelt) is just a variation of my name....now don't ask me what my name is....coz Im not saying.....

hey betto, way to go...thats exactly y there r so few female programmers....cz we r that rare! :-)

[Nitro]

Im one of 2 female programmers....the rest(around 20) are guys....it has its advantages, u know being a woman......well, most of the time...... :-)

I truly did not mean to offend you Ms. Rammy. I apologize if I did. Its just kind of funny that your name fits so well with your above quote.

The first time I saw your name, I thought it was some punk ass trying to be funny.

Yes! I have a quacky sense of humor. Don't worry, I don't even want to touch the subject of your real name!

[Rach877]

I am the only female programmer where I work, as a matter of fact, I'm the whole MIS department!

[compuGEEK]

Rach877, You go girl!