Smoke it or not ?

**zuperman** · Jun 27th, 2001, 12:27 PM

How many of you guys smoke or smoked drugs ??? ( be honest with yourselves... )

spetnik · Jun 27th, 2001, 12:30 PM

never

**barrk** · Jun 27th, 2001, 12:30 PM

I did.......

**zuperman** · Jun 27th, 2001, 12:31 PM

by the way, i had a couple of times when i was 18...

**CiberTHuG** · Jun 27th, 2001, 01:08 PM

Originally posted by barrk
I did.......

Hmmm.. liberal, living in California, grew up in the 60s/70s?

And people wonder why we have stereotypes.

If you count tobacco, I've had the occasional cigar. I learned how to smoke a cigarette.

**barrk** · Jun 27th, 2001, 03:41 PM

Originally posted by CiberTHuG

Hmmm.. liberal, living in California, grew up in the 60s/70s?

Yeah, I wondered if anyone was going to state the obvious

**Guv** · Jun 27th, 2001, 05:08 PM

About 20 or so years or so ago, I had a bridge partner who dealt in Marijuana. I tried it 3 or 4 times and, to the best of my knowledge, it had no effect.

When LSD first turned up about 50 years ago, I considered trying it. Then I decided to wait for more information about its long term effects. When a friend of mine had a bad trip and almost killed himself, I changed my mind about trying it.

A few years later while vacationing in Arizona, I tried something extracted from mushrooms. After all, the Indians in Southwest USA had been using the mushrooms for over 1000 years without disastrous consequences. To this day I do not know whether I experienced a delightful hallucination or had some of the best sex I can remember. I left for the west coast the next day and never again encountered the group of college kids who shared my experience.

Since I do not like the idea of not being in control of my own mind, I have always avoided drugs except for the above experiments. I only consume 3-5 glasses of wine a week because I have a low tolerance for alcohol. It only takes a few glasses of wine to make me a very happy drunk.

chenko · Jun 27th, 2001, 05:10 PM

i aS ACAID BCXAK WAY BAK, NO ABD TRIP AT AEALL

**parksie** · Jun 27th, 2001, 05:12 PM

Translation:
"As I said a while ago, there's no bad trip at all"
(at least, that's what I *think* he's saying

)

We had some weird stuff in a bong when we went to Egypt and nobody had any real problems.

chenko · Jun 27th, 2001, 05:15 PM

ACZIIDDDDDD!:MDA;;

**Beacon** · Jun 27th, 2001, 08:11 PM

Where's dennis he hasnt touched this thread yet!

Try it! Why not it probably aint gonna kill ya! Didnt kill me.

After if ya dont like it dont do it again!

Drugs is just a social view on that it must be bad!
But you take drugs when ya got a cold and dont ask questions!

If you want to keep your mind at ease go get some ADD kid to give ya some Dexies thats all manufactured by chemists so it must be safe!

**unformed** · Jun 27th, 2001, 09:09 PM

did..though don't much anymore..do spark up or drop every now anything

don't touch alcohol anymore though....alcohol sucks ass

**Radames** · Jun 28th, 2001, 02:57 AM

Only once but I did not inhale...

**Bonker Gudd** · Jun 28th, 2001, 03:28 AM

You can't beat a good smoke

**zuperman** · Jun 28th, 2001, 03:56 AM

If so then im totally addicted

Peace and love

**Good Dreams** · Jun 28th, 2001, 05:35 AM

The thread started about smoking drugs and there are already people mentioning alchool and inhaling, so I'll give my little experiences about drugs.
I only smoked a few cigarretes and wheed (spelling?), just to try it. As for alchool, I enjoy drinking a bit once in a while, everything except beer and white/green wine.

I didnt notice any special effect with cigarretes, only when a smart ass told me to swallow the smoke. Anyway, I dont like tabacco. My own mother smokes every time I see her, so I naturaly hate it.

I'm translating from portuguese the word "ganza" which I think it is wheed. I may be wreong though.
When I tried it, it didnt seem to be addictive (maybe because it's a natural drug?), instead I turned hysterical, laughing a lot and loosing my balance a bit.

I dont consider alchool a drug. It can turn out to be addictive to some people, but to me is just to get warmer and not so depressed.

Never had sex, so I never experienced it under drug/alchool influence; however, maybe I'll give it a try... I dont entirely control my fate.

Above all this, I think anyone should try drugs, but never consuming them as in a habit!

BTW, there's a question in my mind: Are there any natural and unnatural drugs? By unnatural, I mean human made/altered. When I often hear about an addictive drug, I usually hear about a chemical substance ended in "-ine" as in caffeine, nicotine, cocaine, heroine... Is this a coincidence?

**manic_gofar** · Jun 28th, 2001, 06:01 AM

Originally posted by zuperman
If so then im totally addicted

Peace and love

If this is true then i better book my self into rehab

**manic_gofar** · Jun 28th, 2001, 06:05 AM

i was always brought up to not take drugs but curiosity got the better of me and i sampled but nothing heavy but as for alcohol eerrrrrrgh, yes, yes, yes. (Either way i have a long time to go before i am to old to sample everything)

**Gaffer** · Jun 28th, 2001, 06:23 AM

I have smoked marijuana (1-2 joints) every night for the last 4 years.

**manic_gofar** · Jun 28th, 2001, 06:31 AM

Originally posted by Gaffer
I have smoked marijuana (1-2 joints) every night for the last 4 years.

and your still alive?

**Mark Sreeves** · Jun 28th, 2001, 07:35 AM

Originally posted by Good Dreams
Above all this, I think anyone should try drugs,...

That attitude defies belief any you obviously can't have given it any thought before posting it.

**Mark Sreeves** · Jun 28th, 2001, 07:37 AM

Originally posted by manic_gofar

and your still alive?

I think you mean you're!

**manic_gofar** · Jun 28th, 2001, 07:42 AM

Originally posted by Mark Sreeves

That attitude defies belief any you obviously can't have given it any thought before posting it.

i take it your a bloody nun or something, you know, a person who does'nt smoke, drink,have sex or have indescent thoughts about someone.

**Mark Sreeves** · Jun 28th, 2001, 07:55 AM

Originally posted by manic_gofar

I take it you're a bloody nun or something, you know, a person who doesn't smoke, drink, have sex or have indecent thoughts about someone.

Why do you say that?

I was commenting drugs not drink or sex.

I drink more than I ought to, have an active sex life but gave up smoking 10 years ago.

**manic_gofar** · Jun 28th, 2001, 08:00 AM

Fair Enough Then, However Next Time You Make A Comment Like That I Would Be More Specific As Most Of The Posts In This Thread Are Not Only About Drugs But Alchohol, Sex And Smoking.

**Skeen** · Jun 28th, 2001, 08:21 AM

I've done a lot of drugs over the past ten years,
speed, coke, LSD, ecstasy and consistantly weed.

A lot of my friends don't and never have taken any drugs including tobacco and verry limited use of alcohol.

My view is they work for some but not for others.

The only thing I don't understand is when poeple slagg off drug users but have never taken them themselves??

Its like hating icecream without ever trying it. Irrational views created by an intollerant society.

I love weed, and as far as I'm concerned, I'm, a better person for it.

Maybe sometimes I over use but most people have been so drunk thy can't remmeber a thing at least once.

Skeen.

nullus · Jun 28th, 2001, 08:23 AM

i don't wanna sound like a bore, but i dunno why anyone would want to take drugs. i ocassionally drink alcohol, but usually just cider cos most other alcoholic drinks taste like what i imagine piss tastes likes. blurgh!

as for things like smoking tobacco or cannabis, that's your choice, but why mess up your body, knowing that it's likely to give you lungs full of tar, heart disease, or cancer, over something so stupid like a cigarette? i find it to be a sad thing when people put a craving or fitting in with the crowd before their life (the most important thing you have). some even say "well i'm gonna die one day". if that's the case, why not just step out in front of a bus later on today? morons.

granted, some people smoke all their life and never get a disease (although they will smell bad, look bad, and sound bad), but it's a pretty dumb risk to take.

ok, rant over

**Skeen** · Jun 28th, 2001, 08:24 AM

I've done a lot of drugs over the past ten years,
speed, coke, LSD, ecstasy and consistently weed.

A lot of my friends don't and never have taken any drugs including tobacco and very limited use of alcohol.

My view is they work for some but not for others.

The only thing I don't understand is when people slag off drug users but have never taken them themselves??

It’s like hating ice cream without ever trying it. Irrational views created by an intolerant society.

I love weed, and as far as I'm concerned, I'm, a better person for it.

Maybe sometimes I over use but most people have been so drunk thy can't remember a thing at least once.

Skeen.

nullus · Jun 28th, 2001, 08:28 AM

yeah, you just said that, Skeen. or is that your argument to my post? repeating what you said.

**Skeen** · Jun 28th, 2001, 08:30 AM

Hi nullus,

there is a reason for taking druggs and it isn't the down side. Its the amazing feelings they create.
Nothing else can toch the sensations of some highs. To me experience is far greater than life expectancy.

Live fast, Die young, and leave a beautiful corpse.

When I was at college, a friend of a friend died at 23 from lung cancer yet she wasn't a smoker.

It was all passive smoking. My Grandfather smoke like a chimney all his life yet he died at 87.

There are no guarantes so I want to experience as much as I can, that goes for the real world as well as drug induced comas.

Its not a big deal.

But it is horses for corses!

**Skeen** · Jun 28th, 2001, 08:32 AM

My browser is screwed cos of JBuilder's excessive memory drain
- sorry

nullus · Jun 28th, 2001, 08:38 AM

ok, sorry

well, like i said, it's your choice to take drugs, and if you wanna risk your life over something so petty as getting totally off your head, then don't moan when you're lying in some hospital bed with tubes coming out of every orifice.

personally, i think your kind of attitude to life is sad, as you may never get to experience what life is really about if you carry on like that, but it is your life, so what the **** do i care

**simonm** · Jun 28th, 2001, 08:42 AM

Just like Guv I hate the idea of losing control of my mind. That's the most important thing I have got.

I genuinely believe that hallucinagens (Cannabis and LSD) do not make you lose control of you mind, indeed, they free your mind. Initially many people do not know what to do with this new found freedom and think they have lost control but once you get used to it you have more control over your mind than when you're sober.

I dont consider alchool a drug. It can turn out to be addictive to some people, but to me is just to get warmer and not so depressed.

People often say things like 'Alcohol & Drugs' like they're two different things. No they're not. We just view them differently because alcohol has been around a lot longer (in Western society) and is part of tradition. Alcohol is actually more dangerous (statistically speaking) than many illegal drugs.

as for things like smoking tobacco or cannabis, that's your choice, but why mess up your body, knowing that it's likely to give you lungs full of tar, heart disease, or cancer, over something so stupid like a cigarette? i find it to be a sad thing when people put a craving or fitting in with the crowd before their life (the most important thing you have). some even say "well i'm gonna die one day". if that's the case, why not just step out in front of a bus later on today? morons.

granted, some people smoke all their life and never get a disease (although they will smell bad, look bad, and sound bad), but it's a pretty dumb risk to take.

I would like to point out that cannabis can be eaten rather than smoked and therefore the harmful aspects avoided. It just takes longer to take effect.

Why do you think it's about fitting in with the crowd? Anyone who starts for those reasons should think twice but most people don't start for that reason.

Is taking drugs any different from deciding to take up a danger sport as a hobbie? You're still taking a risk but everything we do is about balancing risk with pleasure. If you get enough pleasure from something then you can justify any risk. It is merely down to a personnal descision.

**zuperman** · Jun 28th, 2001, 08:42 AM

I smoke because the doctor told me to do so...He said "Smoking will kill you SLOWLY"...Then i thought: "Well...i do not want to die soon, so lets start smoke..."

**zuperman** · Jun 28th, 2001, 08:45 AM

Hey Good Dreams, i think that you, will leave to 100 years old...

**Mark Sreeves** · Jun 28th, 2001, 08:55 AM

Originally posted by simonm

I genuinely believe that hallucinagens (Cannabis and LSD) do not make you lose control of you mind, indeed, they free your mind. Initially many people do not know what to do with this new found freedom and think they have lost control but once you get used to it you have more control over your mind than when you're sober.

Magic Mushrooms are hallucinogens and they're legal (until you do anything with them that is ) and they can cause you to have blackouts for up to 10 years later I don't really consider that to be in control of your mind.

nullus · Jun 28th, 2001, 09:04 AM

Originally posted by simonm

I would like to point out that cannabis can be eaten rather than smoked and therefore the harmful aspects avoided. It just takes longer to take effect.

Why do you think it's about fitting in with the crowd? Anyone who starts for those reasons should think twice but most people don't start for that reason.

Is taking drugs any different from deciding to take up a danger sport as a hobbie? You're still taking a risk but everything we do is about balancing risk with pleasure. If you get enough pleasure from something then you can justify any risk. It is merely down to a personnal descision.

a lot of it is to do with fitting in with the crowd. how do you think most people start smoking in the first place? most people nowadays start when they're about 13 or something, and do it because all the other kids are, and it's considered cool. and at that age, they're unlikey to think twice anyway.

your point about danger sports is a fair one, but drugs are less about the risk and more about messing about with your body chemistry to make you think you're feeling good, whilst danger sports are about achieving a natural and haelthy thrill by pushing yourself to the limits. danger sports are also usually controlled, and there is little risk of actually dying.

btw, i actually think cannabis should be legalised/decriminalised.

**Skeen** · Jun 28th, 2001, 09:04 AM

They are great though - the mushies

**simonm** · Jun 28th, 2001, 09:08 AM

Magic Mushrooms are hallucinogens and they're legal (until you do anything with them that is ) and they can cause you to have blackouts for up to 10 years later I don't really consider that to be in control of your mind.

This is not something I've heard of (and I know lots of people who have taken mushrooms over the last 10 years.

Besides, I'm talking about the primary effect of the drug not potential secondary side effects.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying they're perfectly safe for everyone to go and use. They must be handled with care. I personnally believe that the human race isn't ready for LSD. As far as cannabis is concerned, whilst being innacurate to call it totally harmless, it is probably the safest drug going (including things like cafine).

BTW, there's a question in my mind: Are there any natural and unnatural drugs? By unnatural, I mean human made/altered. When I often hear about an addictive drug, I usually hear about a chemical substance ended in "-ine" as in caffeine, nicotine, cocaine, heroine... Is this a coincidence?

Could well be. I thought for one moment that LSD (being artificial) would be an exception but I can't remember what it stands for. It stands for something like : LySergic Dyathiamide.

**simonm** · Jun 28th, 2001, 09:15 AM

a lot of it is to do with fitting in with the crowd. how do you think most people start smoking in the first place? most people nowadays start when they're about 13 or something, and do it because all the other kids are, and it's considered cool. and at that age, they're unlikey to think twice anyway.

Yes, some people start this way but as I have already said, you should not start for these reasons.

your point about danger sports is a fair one, but drugs are less about the risk and more about messing about with your body chemistry to make you think you're feeling good, whilst danger sports are about achieving a natural and haelthy thrill by pushing yourself to the limits. danger sports are also usually controlled, and there is little risk of actually dying.

There is no difference between danger sports and drugs. People like danger sports because of the surge of adrenaline that they get from the 'rush' of danger. This acts like a drug (by adjusting the body's chemistry). Ok, it naturally occurs within the body and is not deliberately introduced but so what?
Whilst many drugs are about 'feeling good', hallucinagens aren't (not entirely anyway). I know it's a cliche but they're about altering your mind. Hallucinagens work by breaking down the rigid patterns in the brain and allowing new or different patterns to form freely. This is a liberating feeling and far beyond (mentally speaking of course) any sensation you get from an adrenaline rush.

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