[RESOLVED] artificial intelligence

[moti barski]

a while ago i saw a news article, in which some profesors claimed it wasn't possible for a program to think, have free will, or have emotions (they said it while smiling), next they said many super computers are needed to achieve a portion of a mouce brain capabilities then they showed a room filled with big ibm computers. my blood boiled, i contacted the news place and said i want those idiots(i actualy said professors) to chat with my program, and see her features, but they (the news douches) ignored me.

currently i am trying to get some official nonparcial guy in my city to chat with the program(like a reporter or professor), it is quite difficult.

i have no respect for universities, as they teach no practicle stuff, and charge money for it, luckily some guy posted my new ebook in a url with lots of traffic, i hope the ebook will finish theire rotten buisness.

[NickThissen]

No offence, but it's taken you 5 pages and you still have not made any sense to any of us. If you would actually have developed an advanced AI then surely you wouldn't have this much trouble demonstrating it? Your demonstrations so far make zero sense to any of us, so I am not surprised reporters or professors are ignoring you...

[moti barski]

you were waiting for page 5 all this time weren't you

[minitech]

Universities definitely teach practical stuff; for example, perhaps the correct spelling of "practical"?

[sapator]

Nick admit it you were waiting for page 5
minitech not all of us are English speaking so mistakes are alloowued .
moti you must definitely give your project to a professor and please videotape the whole session.Some here are doubting you so you must show this to a more,how to say, professional of AI.
I personally am to dump to understand your program so i would like to see an expert opinion on this.And please some more youtube videos in any new features you may have. Good night.

P.S. There was a long thread about Universities usefulness in the forum.

[moti barski]

i wonder what the israel patent office will say about it i applied about 2 years ago

[baja_yu]

You applied 2 years ago and still didn't hear back from them? Based on the video presentations I think that they are having Mossad hunt you down to kill you and steal your idea.

[honeybee]

Or maybe they want you to sell your idea to the Middle East countries.

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[moti barski]

You applied 2 years ago and still didn't hear back from them? Based on the video presentations I think that they are having Mossad hunt you down to kill you and steal your idea.

it's not stealing if i'm dead, it would auto publish in that case

i'll called em "the israel patent office" see what going with it

she (the secretary) just told me in about 2 months

ADMIN i think my post counter is stuck

[stlaural]

it's not stealing if i'm dead, it would auto publish in that case

Really? So would that finally allow us to see the source code?

ADMIN i think my post counter is stuck

I think posting in the Chit Chat section does not increment your posts counter.

[NotLKH]

I think "steal" means "straight".

[visualAd]

steal = stay still?

Still is relative after all; in relation to the sun none of us are still. So in relation to left or right movement, still could mean no left or right movement.

[honeybee]

I think what he really means to say is even if Mossad managed to kill him his idea would still be published in his name.






Or at least that's what I think he is trying to say

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[FunkyDexter]

I still have absolutely no idea what I'm looking at {shrug}

i hope the ebook will finish theire rotten buisness

I admire your optimism.

[NeedSomeAnswers]

my blood boiled

Can your program do that ? that would impress me. If you have true AI does it have emotions ?

i have no respect for universities, as they teach no practicle stuff

How do you know have you been to one ?


nb - this is the best thread in the whole of chit chat :0)

[stlaural]

nb - this is the best thread in the whole of chit chat :0)

I couldn't agree more.

[Shaggy Hiker]

you were waiting for page 5 all this time weren't you

No, we are actually waiting for page 10, and we might even get there.

i wonder what the israel patent office will say about it i applied about 2 years ago

So are we.

How do you conduct a conversation with a person, or computer, that responds with single words? Do you have to ask only simple questions? That isn't a conversation, it's an interrogation, which could be easily spoofed using several common techniques. It certainly doesn't prove anything, and no competent person would say that an AI had any part I based on such an interrogation.

It would come down to the code for an interrogation AI to be said to have any kind of intelligence. On the other hand, if your system can initiate conversation, rather than just responding to one, that would be of interest. Can it wander off on tangents the way these threads do?

[minitech]

Yay, there's a new tag

[moti barski]

notlkh :

I think "steal" means "straight".

correct.
honeybee :

I think what he really means to say is even if Mossad managed to kill him his idea would still be published in his name.

yes.

FunkyDexter : yes it will finish them its just a matter of time, 75% of university graduate are unemployed or employed in unrelated jobs, those people wasted much money and time learning in most nonpractical stuff, using my ebool the user learns how to work in most tech professions(for free), i study and add subject by subject in order to finish them.

NeedSomeAnswers :

Can your program do that ? that would impress me. If you have true AI does it have emotions ?

:
^ = enger
! = fear
0-4 = curiousity
those chars appear in many of the vids
she has happy emotion but it has no visual display at the moment

shaggy hiker :

So are we.

How do you conduct a conversation with a person, or computer, that responds with single words? Do you have to ask only simple questions? That isn't a conversation, it's an interrogation, which could be easily spoofed using several common techniques. It certainly doesn't prove anything, and no competent person would say that an AI had any part I based on such an interrogation.

It would come down to the code for an interrogation AI to be said to have any kind of intelligence. On the other hand, if your system can initiate conversation, rather than just responding to one, that would be of interest. Can it wander off on tangents the way these threads do?

the word length limitation prevents the program from being a negging woman, thously
surpasing them.
i don't know what you mean by : initiate conversation, but she does reply to empty input.

[moti barski]

combo animal brain was used, i clicked enters, and added ? and ...

Please wait for your IBM representative to respond.
You are now chatting with 'Jemilah'
you: hello
Jemilah: Thank you for contacting IBM PartnerWorld Chat Support for North America Business Partners. I am Jemilah. May I please have your name, company name and location, and telephone number/email address?
Jemilah: I do apologize but you have reached PartnerWorld North America that provides support to business partners located in US and Canada. But If you only have general questions for PartnerWorld let me try to assist you.
you: where do i learn cloud ?
Jemilah: Are you pertaining to the IBM Cloud Computing?
you: yes
Jemilah: Thank you for confirming.
Jemilah: Here is what I can do I will be providing you a link where in you can get more information about IBM Cloud.
Jemilah: One moment while I get that for you.
you: i also want to know if the cloud can beef up vb.net
Jemilah: Oh I am sorry but I am not a technical person and will not be able to answer it. However, I will provide you the number for IBM PartnerWorld Israel that could assist you in that matter.
Jemilah: Here is the link for the IBM Cloud Computing:
Jemilah: http://www-935.ibm.com/services/us/cloud/index.html
Jemilah: And the number for IBM Partnerworld Israel is 1-80-944-7858
Jemilah: Is there anything else that I can help you with today?
you: is the cloud a server operating system ?
Jemilah: Cloud is a computing solution and not a operating system.
you: i know it is used to upload asp.net sites, but can it do other stuff ?
Jemilah: Well to get more details about the Cloud Computing it would be better to send an email to [email protected] for further assistance, since this is already out of IBM PartnerWorld scope.
Jemilah: Is there anything else that I can help you with today?
Jemilah: Not to rush, but are you still there?
you: i don't get it if all you give me is links why did ibm put this chat in the first place, i was hoping to get answers, but you are just linking me, perhapse someone else can answer me in the chat, maybe a male ?
Jemilah: I do apologize for the inconvenience sir/ma'am, but this chat support is only for IBM PartnerWorld and the Cloud Computing is already outside of our scope.
Jemilah: I hope you understand that we are still trying to help you
Jemilah: at least by providing links for you to get more information
Jemilah: * at least providing links and contact information that would assist you in this matter.
you: what is ibm partnerworld what do you do there ?
Jemilah: This is the link for IBM PartnerWorld:
Jemilah: www.ibm.com/partnerworld
Jemilah: We caters IBM Business Partners that is located in North America/ Canda location only.
you: what do you mean cater ? food catering ?
Jemilah: cater means we only support North America Business Partner
you: but what are you ? technicians, sellers ?
Jemilah: We are not technicians, We are partnerworld representatives that assist IBM Business Partners.
Jemilah: IBM PartnerWorld is more on helping IBM Partners to be more competitive in the market.
you: so... are you in marketing do you make comorcials ?
Jemilah: We do not do commercials, we have different programs for different business model of IBM Partner that help them grow in their field.
you: you are vague, grow in theire field ?
Jemilah: Business field
Jemilah: in their business industry
you: but how
Jemilah: As what I have said IBM PartnerWorld offers a lot of programs and that is to many to mention
you: can you give an example
Jemilah: For Software Developers, PartnerWorld give them an opportunity to use IBM software for developing, evaluation and testing purposes only.
Jemilah: If you are interested in getting more information about PartnerWorld and wanted to register, please do contact PartnerWorld in your location ( Israel) you can call them at 1-80-944-7858 or send an email to [email protected].
you: finale question
you: am i a chatbot
you: yes or no
Jemilah: I am sorry, but what do you mean that you are a chat bot?
you: have you been speaking to a program written on vb.net or with a human
Jemilah: Of course I am speaking with a human.
you: yotamarker win

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[minitech]

Oh, gosh. Poor IBM representative.

(And by the way:

using my ebool the user learns how to work in most tech professions(for free), i study and add subject by subject in order to finish them.

No.)

[stlaural]

That doesn't prove anything. In fact it definitely looks like if you were actualy the one having a conversation with a guy from IBM. Also, In all the videos you posted I never saw sentences that long outputed by your application, why is that so, can't you have such a conversation with it and show us ?

And out of curiosity, in your videos, it seems that your application is a Windows Form application, so I am wondering, what modifications did you make to allow your application to read what the IBM guy was writing and to allow it to output to the chat window ?

[NickThissen]

This thread is getting better and better
Do you honestly think anyone would believe that that was actually a chatbot? Clearly it is just you. And even if it was a chatbot, I don't see any AI in there at all. I've seen chatbots written in a couple of hours that give better responses than that.

If you actually made an advanced AI you would have at least posted a compiled application already where we could play with it and see how it reacts. Your video's do not show anything but gibberish and this chat is even worse...

Oh, and I guess it's by design that your chatbot speaks the same broken english as you? Not that not speaking english is a problem, it just seems strange that an advanced AI capable of understanding fairly long and complex sentences makes spelling errors

[moti barski]

she was only input the sentences ending stlauder, the modifications : me using copy paste and enter as a midiator

sentences that long outputed by your application

i pasted her concated output, the long output is the result of me pressing enter in the software copying her output then doing this again to make the sentence longer

[stlaural]

As I said, It still doesn't prove anything. Do you really think we'll believe this just like that?
Another reason why I can't beleve this is that the opinions reflected in your copy/pasted chat reflects yours too much.

"you: i don't get it if all you give me is links why did ibm put this chat in the first place, i was hoping to get answers, but you are just linking me, perhapse someone else can answer me in the chat, maybe a male ?"

Saying that like women are total idiots looks too much like you. At least from what I have read from your comments.

But hey, the day you will post a compiled version of your app, it'll be a pleasure to give it a try.

[moti barski]

only me and 2 other guys has ever chated with her, she learn from me like humans learn mother language from parents

[stlaural]

That's too bad, you'd have more accurate opinions from people here if they could give it a try.

[Shaggy Hiker]

only me and 2 other guys has ever chated with her, she learn from me like humans learn mother language from parents

So....how old is this program? How old were you when you learned the "mother language"...or any other language. The human brain is the greatest learning engine known to man, yet it takes the brain a couple years to learn to the point of using languages. Assuming this program ran all the time, would it really be able to pick up the concepts embodied in language sufficient to be able to carry on a conversation in considerably less time than a human brain? Frankly, I would say that comprehension of most words used in any discussion can only come through some experience. If you have no concept of the word being used, would you even use it?

After seeing this thread from start to finish, I'd have to say that I don't believe you have created anything even close to an AI. What I can't decide is which side of the fraud you are on. Are you trying to deceive us, or just yourself?

[moti barski]

shaggy hiker i have been studing japanese for 1 year and 7 months now just to get a better understanding of language learning :

memory , to remember that x in language 1 is said y in lang 2 that is the main time consumer (to remember this not in the day learned)
the 2nd is speech recognition, to get what sound word was said.

then in the specific case of japanese there are 2000 characters to remember the 300 hiragana and katakana took me 2 weeks, then months of sharpening

to remember a 100 kanji characters is 2 months

[stlaural]

maybe, but learning another language while you already know one is not the same. Shaggy is talking about the first language you learn in life. To learn this one you need experience, lots of it in order so assimilate the different meanings of each word and combination of words and also the meanings of the tone used. I agree with SH and I also do not believe you created an AI. But I think you do believe it, maybe. You are claming loud that it is an AI and that Universities are worthless etc... But still you never brought a REAL proof of your so called AI.

But damn I love this thread anyway.

[Milk]

Well you (moti) could prove us all wrong and clean up at this years Loebner Prize, $25'000 if you can fool two.

[moti barski]

he also ignored me, what a douche he is (hugh loebner)

[minitech]

Learning Japanese, huh? When you finish, tell me what this says: エラーは、文章を変換できませんでした。

(There is no way you learned hirigana + katakana in 2 weeks, by the way.)

[stlaural]

bad test minitech, google can do it :P

[formlesstree4]

Learning Japanese, huh? When you finish, tell me what this says: エラーは、文章を変換できませんでした。

(There is no way you learned hirigana + katakana in 2 weeks, by the way.)

Whoa! My browser can actually render that text!

Anyway, I'm still not seeing anything eventful from this "AI" yet; I'm also pretty sure someone that has a degree in computer science can tell you that Artificial Intelligence is extremely hard to create. Look at "Watson" that IBM had created. It took them years and thousands of processors to compute data that had to be entered into the computer. Cleverbot isn't even true AI but it still has some interesting output.

As I said earlier, if your program is as "advanced" as you say it is, post it in a compiled executable (I'm pretty sure you can obfuscate it if you want) and let us take a swing at it with all of "her" advanced features.

bad test minitech, google can do it :P

Google can do almost anything, except artificial intelligence.

[NickThissen]

I'm pretty sure there's many people entering their own attempts at an AI for the Loebner prize, and I am also sure that all of them make at least a little sense. If you sent your incomprehensible youtube video's to them as an entry then you shouldn't be surprised you were ignored. I mean come on... I would have a bigger chance winning the prize by putting on a cardboard box painted like a robot and making bleeping sounds.

[moti barski]

Learning Japanese, huh? When you finish, tell me what this says: エラーは、文章を変換できませんでした。

(There is no way you learned hirigana + katakana in 2 weeks, by the way.)

jijitsu koto desu, taihen deshita kedo zenryoku wo tsukata, ore no ... iie sekai no seigi tameni benkyo to kunren shitanda yo, mirai e susumu beki.

[minitech]

bad test minitech, google can do it :P

Exactly, it's sort of my point. Sort of.

@moti barski: What does it say... in English?

[Shaggy Hiker]

What has me puzzled about the whole thing is the fact that you don't do more than show videos and transcripts of output. No rational person will accept such easily fabricated things (though frankly, no rational person would fabricate those videos, either) as an indication of much of anything. You haven't mentioned anything about the technology behind it. You haven't given anyone access to it for any kind of testing, yet you seem to expect that people should take your word for it? That makes it sound like a con game, and not a very good one, at that.

[zaza]

I'm still wondering if there is anybody in customer services of any kind, anywhere in the world who, when faced with a question from a client "Am I a chat bot? Yes or no?" would reply "You know what? I think Yes. Yes you are".

More to the point, is there anybody in customer services, anywhere in the world, who wants to go to their boss and say "Somebody just contacted our customer services helpline. Asked all sorts of questions. But I was suspicious and told him I thought he was a chatbot. Then he hung up".