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Nov 11th, 2009, 11:36 AM
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Re: Peace prize
I was really just highlighting that the difference in attitude probably hasn't come from a difference in the number of wars fought in home territory or otherwise over the last century or two
Fair enough, it was just a supposition anyway so i will agree with you on this 
It is wrong? Is it inaccurate? What is your problem with it?
I have to agree with FunkyDexter, because it is both wrong and inaccurate, and this is the main bit that is both wrong and inaccurate !!
After the second time the US decided Europe could not be trusted to behave themselves so we left a few divisions behind in western Europe to ensure they would play nice together while the Soviets did the same to eastern Europe with the added bonus of instituting communist oppression. Western Europe was quite happy to be relieved of the burden of maintaining standing armies, navies, defense perimeters, etc, but was not happy about the ensuing cold war as peace and stability became the two most important things in the European mind. The cold war standoff was the single biggest threat to peace in Europe. Western Europe could not control what the Soviets did, so they tried their best to influence America...
I remember distinctly when President Reagan gave his famous speech at the Brandenburg Gate calling on the Soviets to "tear down this wall" it sent western Europe into conniptions. Reagan's words were considered to be "inflammatory" and "destabilizing" yet it was those very words that started the chain of events that ended with the fall of that wall and eventually communism itself. Today Reagan is barely mentioned at all during the 20th anniversary celebrations marking the end of the German divide because they just might have to admit he was right about the Soviets all along.
Fast-forward to 2004. Europe saw the US invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan as yet another threat to their own peace and stability. They desperately want a say in US policy to prevent such threats and they get rather agitated when we don't listen.
And I'm not knocking Europe or Europeans - I'm merely trying to say that Europe has become vehemently anti-war precisely because of their violent, bloody history.
This is on the other hand is fairly true, especially The Germans and the French (fairly understandably)
Us lot in the UK however still seem intent on joining in on all the major wars going.
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