How NOT to ask for help on VBF...

[Blakk_Majik]

I know a lot of you guys in the chit-chat area stay out of the other forums, but I had to share a post I just came across in the database forum.

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[kregg]

He's got balls of steel.

[I_Love_My_Vans]

Get off my vent!

[kregg]

Get off my vent!

You sir, have won 10 internets.

[emartinho]

LMAOOL (Laughing My Ass Off Out Loud)!

How about we just attend his university classes for him? This way we can breeze through the courses and he can pass with flying colours! Seems lilke a win-win to me!


(Sorry about the various smilies, but I couldn't help myself!)

[kleinma]

people post full homework assignments all the time in the VB.NET forum. They don't even try to make it look like any effort was even attempted. They just post the entire textbook problem word for word and say "i just want the codes please"

You can always tell its a homework assignment too. I don't think I have seen a real world problem, and a homework assignment that were similar.

[si_the_geek]

The ones that impress me most are the ones where they can't even be bothered to type it out - and instead post a scan of the hand-out they were given.

[kleinma]

I hear lots of people say they must take programming for some other courses they take, and have no interest in programming at all, and don't really know computers at all, but are forced to take a programming class.

That does seem slightly silly to me, but on the other hand, an intro course to programming, which I am sure is all that is required when its a mandatory side course, is really just a course in logic. So these people who struggle so much in these intro programming courses are really struggling with basic logic as far as I can tell

[BillGeek]

My cousin is studying Electrical Engineering at uni. He needs take classes in integrated circuitry in order to complete the course in a specific field (I have no idea what field this is though...) and as such, he is "forced" to take ASM classes... I don't know the full story, so perhaps he is / I am talking crap...

[kleinma]

My cousin is studying Electrical Engineering at uni. He needs take classes in integrated circuitry in order to complete the course in a specific field (I have no idea what field this is though...) and as such, he is "forced" to take ASM classes... I don't know the full story, so perhaps he is / I am talking crap...

I would think ASM would go hand in hand with things like that.

[RobDog888]

Please dont link to specific threads/posts

[kregg]

Last edited by RobDog888; Today at 08:25 PM. Reason: Making fun of another member

Does this mean you'll finally stop making fun out of me, Rob?

[RobDog888]

I dont, you do that all on your pwn

[EntityX]

Please dont link to specific threads/posts

I have been guilty of this in the past. I hereby formally will self-flagellate to atone for my sin.

On the more serious side can I ask what is the great evil in putting a link to a specific thread/post?

Is it ok to link to a nonspecific thread/post? (back to the less serious side)

[RobDog888]

Id say if you were wanting to provide examples that you maybe paraphrase or quote without the member name.

I dont think you would like it if someone posted a thread like this that linked to one of your technical threads.


Damn so thats what that smell was

[kregg]

I dont, you do that all on your pwn

At least you got one thing right: I pwn.

[RobDog888]

All you pwn is yourself.

[Blakk_Majik]

C'mon Rob. Making fun of a member is one thing.

That post was basically someone asking to have their homework done for them. And he was actually quite smug about it, like he really believed it was the purpose of this forum to do his work.

I had to laugh about it, to keep myself from throwing a fit of rage at how lazy today's students are.

But we still cool.
Off-Topic: I'm a Raiders fan too. What you think about them passing on the best WR in the draft for the fastest?

[RobDog888]

Its cool, just dont want others to think calling someone out is allowed type thing

The fastest could eventually learn to be the best but the best that is slow cant learn speed

[KiwiDexter]

Asking for the answer to a home work assignment is beyond acceptable imho. BTW anyone got a fully operational membership system in php

Actually having a lot of fun developing that one myself, learning all about security.

[Shaggy Hiker]

The Raiders suck, and will continue to do so until they get an owner with more than a single strategy. They can run the ball, and they might have a good quarterback, but they have to actually run before people will start defending it. That just looked like more of the same from Al Davis.

[kregg]

All you pwn is yourself.

[wossname]

Tutorial: Object-Orientated Self-pwnage.

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I hear lots of people say they must take programming for some other courses they take, and have no interest in programming at all, and don't really know computers at all, but are forced to take a programming class.

That does seem slightly silly to me, but on the other hand, an intro course to programming, which I am sure is all that is required when its a mandatory side course, is really just a course in logic. So these people who struggle so much in these intro programming courses are really struggling with basic logic as far as I can tell

I've got to admit, I'm here for assistance on how to do things for my work at college, but it's not homework answers I'm looking for, it's extended tutoring. The college lecturers know very little themselves as this Visual Basic 6 programming has just been shuffled in and has very little to do with my ICT course that I applied for. Being one year down the line in it and a few months left till I go to University, it's just not viable to back out now.

Business and Marketing Management (my intended University course) has very little to do with programming. With that in mind, it's not a skill I'm necessarily going to need in the future unless I take it up as a hobbyist like I'm sure some of you do; I am not a coding kinda guy, and I think it just appeals to some people more than others. I struggle very hard to get my head around this kind of stuff more so than a lot of my friends have with other languages, but it's something I really need to do else I won't be able to go to University, and that is why I am here so I can get assistance in that learning. I'm sure some people do come on here for an easy ride to get their assignments and homework done and I'm not condoning it, but that's not why we're all here. Some of us just need extra assistance to what we get at school and actually do appreciate it.

[kleinma]

It is sad that for a required programming course, they are teaching you from a version of Visual Basic that is nearing 5 versions old now. The next version of VB which just hit Beta 1, is VB10. There have been VB 7, 7.1, 8, 9 since .NET came around.

Although when I took my first programming course, the first part of the course they tought us COBOL, and it really was not all that long ago that I took it.

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It is sad that for a required programming course, they are teaching you from a version of Visual Basic that is nearing 5 versions old now.

I know, and that's exactly how I felt about it too. I'm not completely clueless, and I know it's not something that is likely probably going to be of use as opposed to a language such as C# or Java. I think the main purpose of this shuffle in is to simply introduce programming as a skill. With VB6 arguably being the easiest scripting language to learn (according to the people I've spoken to about it) it's easier for both the college and the students that way. It doesn't make it any less lame however, and I'm personally not feeling the ease

[Shaggy Hiker]

There's actually a different advantage to VB6, as the syntax is identical to VBA, which is the macro language in Excel. While you might not be wanting to program, knowing VBA might be of some use in business and marketing, and VB6 would be the language to learn to learn VBA (since there probably isn't a class in VBA itself).

[Nightwalker83]

I dont, you do that all on your pwn

That is the last time I let you anywhere near my pets! A cat is not paper.

[RobDog888]

That is the last time I let you anywhere near my pets! A cat is not paper.

No, thats kreggs cat and him showing off his "artistic" skills

[kregg]

1. I don't own a cat. I'm not teh sillies.
2. Here r mai artistik skillz:



I soooooooooooo should do a webcomic about the terminekitteh... >.<

[FunkyDexter]

I've got to admit, I'm here for assistance on how to do things for my work at college, but it's not homework answers I'm looking for, it's extended tutoring.

Then you're the kind of person we like to help.

I'm guessing you didn't see the post Blakk_Majik linked to but it was someone literally just pasting the text of their assignment straight into the forum. they'd clearly made absolutely no effort to even understand the problem, let alone to solve. They simply wanted someone else to it for them. We're less keen on helping people like that.

I do sympathise to some extent with students who get programming as an ancillary unit which they have no interest in and isn't relevent to their course. A freind of mine is doing a sound engineering degree and they've given him a C unit. He's had to learn about character arrays, control structures, file IO etc. and the only thing I think was relevent in any of it was when they got him to open a WAV file from code. I'm convinced they just included the unit as padding. Fortunately he's pretty switched on so he's been able to get through it reasonably easily with the occasional bit of help from me. I will say this though, as a first year unit it doesn't contribute to his final mark so he could cheerfully fail it if he wished. I imagine that for most people who get it as an ancillary unit it doesn't really matter how well they do, and if it does matter they've probably chosen the wrong course.

The fastest could eventually learn to be the best but the best that is slow cant learn speed

Oooh... Deep...

[Blakk_Majik]

Its cool, just dont want others to think calling someone out is allowed type thing

The fastest could eventually learn to be the best but the best that is slow cant learn speed

I will give you that.

However, let's remember the other WR that was passed on by several teams before hitting the other side of the Bay Bridge, one Jerry Rice. He most certainly was not the fastest WR, but...well....you know how that worked out.

I won't blame Davis for that one, because the Silver & Black didn't have a chance to get him. Just making a point that there are other qualities that make a good WR.

I think the last pick the Raiders made that I 100% agreed on was when they drafted Charles Woodson.

[RobDog888]

Charles Woodson :woot: Agree with you there. I think Al has dug the Raiders grave with the NFL until the day they dig his. Only then will we see any substancial change, sadly to say.