COS , An Operating System

[Hlinzi]

Hi everybody, I'm Hlinzi.
I'd like to introduce you to my project " COS "
COS stands for Colorful Operating System.
It's supposed to be a very simple Operating System that starts up at Windows Startup. - maybe if possible we can make it Bootable.
I'd really appreciate if you would think about helping out.
I'm currently not sure if i pay, but if it works out well. I Shall.
I will be a graphics designer for the project and mostly make backgrounds and stuff.
I thank you for reading.
Please, if interested, Post here.

[timeshifter]

In other words, you want someone to do all the actual work for you? Good luck. I hope you like very low-level programming.

[Hlinzi]

are you a fool?

I will be a graphics designer for the project and mostly make backgrounds and stuff.

I've actually made one of these.
But it took me time to do it alone.

Edit:
By the way.

I'd really appreciate if you would think about -->> helping out.<<--

meaning that you will " -->> Help <<-- " Not do it for me.

[timeshifter]

You've made graphic designs? So? The guy who designed my website did it in about two hours. Designing is easy compared to development. And somehow, I doubt you've coded an entire OS. And whether or not you actually have, it isn't the point. The point is, nobody here is going to do an entire project for you. We're here to help you figure out why something isn't working, or to help you learn how to be a better programmer. Your request demonstrates a desire for neither, so don't be surprised when nobody takes you seriously.

[Hlinzi]

Pfft, dude. Did you even read what i just said...?
Or did you just not understand?
I did the whole OS myself.
Now i want to create a better one, for that i need a team.
Project Requests is not to help me figure out why something isn't working. If i need a team for my Project i post here, Just as i have done.

nobody here is going to do an entire project for you.

as i said:

I'd really appreciate if you would think about -->> helping out.<<--

meaning that you will " -->> Help <<-- " Not do it for me.

[DeanMc]

There is not a hope in hell you have made an OS. To prove my point tell me how your OS interacted with say the RAM. What language, lol code I reckon.

[Hlinzi]

Indeed i did do a OS, but it didint interact with RAM or any of that bullshit, it's just a simple system that operates the computer. Nothing big.

[Hlinzi]

And yeah, as you say:

There is not a hope in hell you have made an OS.

then

is there any hope i can make COS alone?

[timeshifter]

I will be a graphics designer for the project and mostly make backgrounds and stuff.

So who's doing the actual OS part, then?

Pfft, dude. Did you even read what i just said...?

I did, and I replied accordingly. Maybe you should ask yourself that question.

Or did you just not understand?

I understood perfectly. You have stated what you're willing to do, and you want someone else to do the rest. You've also said nothing that leads me to believe you've coded a genuine OS.

I did the whole OS myself.

So you boot into your OS every morning? You've written your own browser that your OS supports? You've implemented good memory management for every program you feel like running? You coded all the TCP handling and it all works? You've handled all forms of user input via any HID's that might be attached? You know how to decode mp3 files and stream them out over the appropriate channel(s)?

Now i want to create a better one, for that i need a team.

You'll need a lot more than a team to code a decent OS...

Project Requests is not to help me figure out why something isn't working. If i need a team for my Project i post here, Just as i have done.

Care to keep it realistic? Microsoft probably has hundreds of developers working for years on end to pump out each OS. Rework that equation into a handful of developers, and it'd take several LIFETIMES to complete.

meaning that you will " -->> Help <<-- " Not do it for me.

Doing graphic work is NOT helping. Besides being worthless to the actual development cycle, don't you need to know HOW to decode the images before you can even consider using them as your OS style? As a designer, you won't even have a role in your own project until it nears completion.

Sorry, but nobody is going to take you seriously until you can prove you actually know enough to at least help in the development cycle.

[timeshifter]

Indeed i did do a OS, but it didint interact with RAM or any of that bullshit, it's just a simple system that operates the computer. Nothing big.

Aaaaand you've just officially lost EVERYBODY's interest. You do realize that if you aren't interacting with RAM, you don't have an OS, right? At the very BEST, you've got a VM environment that operates within Windows. That is not an OS, that's a program. I write them all the time. Good day.

[DeanMc]

Its not that people are unwilling to help you. An OS is a hugely complex feat that takes a lifetime of programming expertise. The reason TS lashed back is the fact that you became arrogant when he tried to help. If that is the way you approach help in future you wont get much of it. Just because you do not like the answer you have received that doesnt mean you can become a jerk.

[Hlinzi]

Command Prompt is a Operating System.
CMD = MS-DOS = Microsoft Disk Operating System
and why the hell you say i

lost EVERYBODY's interest.

i said i wanted to make a better one, including the RAM and everything.
why do you take all the negative parts of my posts and answer to that instead of the positive?

is there any hope i can make COS alone?
- try answering this.

and yeah, if i can help programming. I will, but I'd consider myself as a Novice or Amateur.

[Hlinzi]

DeanMc, he said:

In other words, you want someone to do all the actual work for you? Good luck. I hope you like very low-level programming.

that does not count as Help.
Windows started out as a 5 man team.

[DeanMc]

Right thats me out.

[timeshifter]

Fine, I'll be unbiased in my future replies.

Command Prompt is a Operating System.

No. It's a command prompt. From said prompt, you enter commands to do various things. The command prompt is literally NOTHING MORE than a low-level interface for dealing with the operating system. Read: it is NOT the operating system.

CMD = MS-DOS = Microsoft Disk Operating System

Again wrong. "cmd" is a shell extension for launching the command prompt. MS-DOS was a literal operating system back before computers were powerful enough to display full GUI interfaces like we have today. cmd != MS-DOS.

and why the hell you say i "lost EVERYBODY's interest."

Because nobody will want to work with you if you're not doing any of the work. There are a lot of extremely experienced people on this forum, but I can't think of anybody who would know how to code an OS, because it's impractical.

i said i wanted to make a better one, including the RAM and everything.

In order to make a "better" one, you need to have one to begin with. As stated before: if you aren't handling memory management and input devices, it isn't an OS.

why do you take all the negative parts of my posts and answer to that instead of the positive?

Why don't you answer ANY of the questions presented in my post?

and yeah, if i can help programming. I will, but I'd consider myself as a Novice or Amateur.

And anybody who's coded longer than three days knows that making an OS requires a vast array of knowledge in a language not pioneered by Microsoft. Why? Because all of MS's languages rely on .NET, which relies on Windows, and hence can't make an OS.

that does not count as Help.
Windows started out as a 5 man team.

And if you'll recall, MS-DOS was also an extremely small OS. It had none of the capabilities as we have today, and because of the lack of hard drives, it HAD to run off of floppy disks. An OS for today's standards requires a hell of a lot more code, just because of the vast array of hardware that needs to be supported. I'd bet close to half of a full Vista installation is simply driver support.

[Hlinzi]

So, Is anything wrong with a Extremely Small OS? well i know it doesen't have much possibilities but, It's an OS... Right?
Anyway, thank you for Correcting me, but It&#180;s possible to do it on a nicer way.

[timeshifter]

I'm not being harsh for the sake of being harsh. It's called thinking objectively. You've made a request that sounds very much like you don't know what you're doing and you want someone else to do all the work. You've shown you don't understand the difference between an interface and an OS. You've done nothing to show that you actually have the technical knowledge to even START such a project. I'm simply pointing out the shortcomings in your knowledge.

[Hlinzi]

Wait and see.

[Hlinzi]

If i require, i shall do it alone..

[timeshifter]

I guess you haven't figured out the purpose of this forum yet, so let me enlighten you a little bit.

1) Nobody is going to do your work for you. We're here to help with specific problems under the condition that the person needing help has a basic understanding of what it is they're trying to accomplish. Notice most people also don't do homework for the people who ask. We help people become better programmers, and doing their work for them does not assist in that goal.

2) Post padding. In other words, multiple posts that don't add to the substance of a thread. Some people just want to have a high post count so they look good... we don't like them. Most people here with high post counts have them because they're willing to help other people. We're here to further the development community, not to look good. The looking good is just a side effect.

3) Arrogance. You've repeatedly said you've already coded an OS, yet you haven't answered a single question asked of you regarding EXTREMELY basic OS requirements. You haven't even told us what language you made your "OS" with! How do you expect anyone to believe you if you can't back up your claims?

We want you to become a better programmer. Coding an OS when you admittedly have little experience is NOT the way to achieve that. Go back to "Hello, World!" or Tic-Tac-Toe before you go trying something complicated. I've written multiple 3D plotting engines and gravity simulators, because I'm bored, and I wouldn't consider myself nearly knowledgeable enough to code an OS. Why? Because I don't have any knowledge of assembly, hardware communication, memory management, or anything required of an OS. I'd probably have to go back to school for several years before I had enough knowledge to even START an OS. It's impractical for me, given that I'm a web developer, so I won't. Pick a task that's actually practical given your knowledge level. Don't come up with an idea, realize you can't do it, then ask everyone else to do it for you. We're smarter than that.

[dee-u]

Perhaps you may want to have a search for the definition of an OS first. ;-)

[dilettante]

I think he means he created a shell.

[knxrb]

Just to let you know an operating system is a system that starts when the pc is booted up, not after windows has booted up.

Windows XP is an operating system, anything loading after Windows XP and using files from the Windows XP OS is an application, service or shell.

Same for Vista etc...

[Pac_741]

Hlinzi, try to star projects by yourself and them ask for help, don't expect other people to do your project, try to research and then ask, there's a good tutorial i saw once on the internet explaining every point of how to create an operating system. (Explains how)

[Jim Davis]

@Hlinzi: You can build a new linux distribution, or a new visual interface based on windows. Windows is absolutely a close project of microsoft, you cant get even a line of source code any of the components, or drivers. So you cant say OS, but Interface, that is you cant sell never, because microsoft will not let you to selling it.

There are illegal modified distribution of windows, those are made to replace some functionality, but basically those are just original Windows OS's, with the modified interface. Those aren't new OS's.

[knxrb]

Why not customize BartPE? I've done that, or you can customize WinPE?