Republicans

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I was going to type a nice long message, but I don't see a reason to when your post is consumed by such ignorance and blind bias that everyone can see. As long as someone has that liberal/democrat label, they have your vote.

If I was like that, then I would honestly vote for the other party, not my own. Whichever moron gets to be president next will be faced with decisions and situations that will make them very unpopular by the end of their presidential term.

In my opinion, both candidates suck. That's all there is too it. I don't see that you could (largely) argue in favor of McCain unless you just don't want Obama elected. I also don't think you can (largely) argue in favor of Obama unless you are retarded enough to believe his message of change and hope. Both are terrible candidates. Both are going to screw up.

Whoever is elected next will have the majority of their supporters either criticizing them greatly or not supporting them a year or two down the road. So you people that carry around signs, bumper sticks and act like it's a football team you are following to the super bowl really baffle me.

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If I was like that, then I would honestly vote for the other party, not my own. Whichever moron gets to be president next will be faced with decisions and situations that will make them very unpopular by the end of their presidential term.

Amen. It doesn't have to turn out that way (Roosevelt was popular enough to get re-elected repeatedly), but if I had to bet on it, that's certainly the way I'd bet.

In my opinion, both candidates suck. That's all there is too it. I don't see that you could (largely) argue in favor of McCain unless you just don't want Obama elected. I also don't think you can (largely) argue in favor of Obama unless you are retarded enough to believe his message of change and hope. Both are terrible candidates. Both are going to screw up.

I don't really agree with this. I think both candidates have some excellent qualities, and are probably the best we can do under our system of voting. Oddly, they may be the best we can do anyways. How many people would really support anybody who I fully agreed with? How about somebody that Xanith fully agreed with? Every member of this forum is also a member of at least one fringe group, and our views are unlikely to be reflected in the majority.

However, I actually like these two candidates. There has been a period of coasting and/or reactionary politics since the mid 70's. Maybe it has always been that way, but you don't really need visionary leadership when things are going pretty well. The rampant fiscal mismanagement that we have gotten away with since the 80s has really had little or no impact on us because the period has been one of mild downturns interspersed into some great financial upswings. Being president during that time was sort of like picking good stocks in the late 90's: While some people might have done better, pretty nearly anybody could do an adequate job.

Now we may be facing a need for real leadership. Are these two candidates ideal for real leadership? Not a chance, but then again, who is? Obama might very well lead. We've drawn some good leaders from inexperience. McCain is rash and prone to being hot headed, but rash has been a compliment applied to several of our past leaders. Who else is there? Name a visionary leader who has a prayer of getting elected? I can name several who could get elected, but who would be very unlikely to turn anything around. Now we have two who are likely to follow interesting courses. Will they be the right courses? We can't be sure, and we never have been before.

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I don't really agree with this. I think both candidates have some excellent qualities, and are probably the best we can do under our system of voting. Oddly, they may be the best we can do anyways. How many people would really support anybody who I fully agreed with? How about somebody that Xanith fully agreed with? Every member of this forum is also a member of at least one fringe group, and our views are unlikely to be reflected in the majority.

OK ok ok... So my statement was a little stretched. I am just not very optimistic about this next term and don't see that either candidate will do the glorious works we all want to see. Then again, that's me making a broad statement based on my judgment again. I'm sure there's at least one person in this nation that will be satisfied at the end of this next term.

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OK ok ok... So my statement was a little stretched. I am just not very optimistic about this next term and don't see that either candidate will do the glorious works we all want to see. Then again, that's me making a broad statement based on my judgment again. I'm sure there's at least one person in this nation that will be satisfied at the end of this next term.

I'm sufficiently pessimistic about our economic situation that I would be willing to say that if our heads are above water after four years then the incumbent will have done well. I just don't like the convergence of a few trend lines.