Referrendum: Australia, better of as a Republic?

**cyberwarpy** · Apr 29th, 2001, 08:03 PM

I've always wondered what Aussies and other people think about Australia still part of the "British Empire"...

So here's the question: Should Australia become a Republic?

Jethro · Apr 29th, 2001, 09:19 PM

And that is what they should have gone to the people with, rather than allowing Jack boot Johnny to pervert the whole process.

**Beacon** · Apr 29th, 2001, 09:56 PM

Yeah b4 all you poms start saying we already voted on this:

The questions was not a simple Australia become a republic?
yes/no it was a stupid f___ed up question!

OF BLOODY COURSE WE SHOULD! They don't give 2 hoots about us!

And another reason is because they let all these 60+ year old twats vote! Who were all bought up on God Save The Queen etc.
Arrrrh! Wait 2 years they'll all be dead and then ask the question!

Jethro · Apr 29th, 2001, 10:08 PM

The Republic vote got split on the directly elected President and government appointed President question. The powers to be decided we should go with the government appointed option even though opinion poles show:

a) Over 80% of Australians support a Republic

b) Over 60% support a directly elected model.

Jack Boot Johnny ensured the yes vote for a Republic would give more power to Federal Parliment and therefore ensuring the No vote won. Yes he has all the nouse of a drovers dog. As soon as we kick his ass in the federal election, we should be able to get a decent referrendum on this

Personally l think Sir Les Paterson should be our first President as he has done sterling service as Cultural Affairs Minister

**Beacon** · Apr 29th, 2001, 10:53 PM

Jethro: No way I should be!

OR

Bob Hawke you see the way he skulls beer perfect president!

**simonm** · Apr 30th, 2001, 07:56 AM

I don't really blame Australians for wanting to become a republic; If they don't do it soon then they may end up being forced into it anyway (if Britain decides to become a republic first).

I don't think it will bring any real benefit to Australia other than a symbolic one; Since the queen has very little powers anyway, it's not going to give Australia any more powers of self determination.

I don't quite know what you lot mean when you lot say:

They don't give 2 hoots about us!

What gives you that impression?

**Geoff Gunson** · Apr 30th, 2001, 08:18 AM

I voted yes as well, I think it really doesn't matter all that much, it would create a lot of business changing all the flags and all.

How many poms still want an monarcy anyway!?!?

100% of my office said

Couldn't give a S*** about the monarcy

G

**simonm** · Apr 30th, 2001, 08:22 AM

I'm not particually a fan of the monachy but the same question remains here as it does in Australia: What do you put in it's place?

That's a lot harder to answer and it seems that until it has a satisfactory answer, the status quo will persist.

**Kzin** · Apr 30th, 2001, 08:33 AM

Originally posted by cyberwarpy
I've always wondered what Aussies and other people think about Australia still part of the "British Empire"...

So here's the question: Should Australia become a Republic?

Nah - the questions should be -

(i) Should Britain be a Republic? (not that I want to be branded a commie or anything

)

AND

(ii) Should we have a two way "special relationship" with Australia (and New Zealand) for trade, business development etc which stops them from getting swamped (economically and culturally) by their neighbours and err. . - I can't work out what the advantage is to Britain except its a bit like looking out for your mates . . .

**Kzin** · Apr 30th, 2001, 08:35 AM

Originally posted by simonm
I'm not particually a fan of the monachy but the same question remains here as it does in Australia: What do you put in it's place?

I think the popular reply would be democracy

**Kzin** · Apr 30th, 2001, 08:41 AM

Originally posted by Beacon
They don't give 2 hoots about us!

Yes we b~##&y do!

. . . certainly more than anyone else in the world does anyway

**simonm** · Apr 30th, 2001, 08:57 AM

Kzin,

Are you saying that Britain is not already a democracy?

The monachy has a role in the British systems that must be replaced. If we abolish the monachy, the whole system of government needs to be rebuilt to take this into account. It's not possible to simply remove the monachy and carry on as we were.

**Kzin** · Apr 30th, 2001, 09:29 AM

Originally posted by simonm
Kzin,
Are you saying that Britain is not already a democracy?

Oh

I thought that we were in a constitutional monarchy . And if you've ever had a 'proper' *British* passport (like Lara Croft

) - rather than one of these EU "European" passports you'll notice that it says that you are a British Subject not a Citizen (i.e. one of the Queen's Subjects)

Like most British people I'm quite laid back about it all

- it interesting to notice though that in the US a Republican is right wing whereas in the UK a Republican is a left winger.

**simonm** · Apr 30th, 2001, 09:35 AM

I know we are all 'subjects' and not 'citizens' but that doesn't mean that we are not in a demcracy.

I guess what you mean is that you would replace the (un-democratic) queen with an elected president.

I am not sure if we do want a 'democratic' president. I am not sure it would benefit this country or not.

**chrisjk** · Apr 30th, 2001, 10:56 AM

I think Royalty are good ambassadors for this country. And how many Americans would come to London if it weren't for Buck House? (which is only special because of old maj)

**Kzin** · Apr 30th, 2001, 11:02 AM

Originally posted by chrisjk
I think Royalty are good ambassadors for this country. And how many Americans would come to London if it weren't for Buck House? (which is only special because of old maj)

And even more would visit if we all dressed up as characters out of Star Wars . . .

**Kzin** · Apr 30th, 2001, 11:20 AM

Originally posted by simonm
I guess what you mean is that you would replace the (un-democratic) queen with an elected president.

I am not sure if we do want a 'democratic' president. I am not sure it would benefit this country or not.

. . . actually all this is becoming pretty irrelevant since the game rules are continually changing

- nevertheless - why do we need a president? We have a prime minister as a chief executive (and if we don't like him we can only blame the people of the country that chose him) - we don't need anyone to salute to these days and armed forces can swear to a constitution or even to 'the crown' without a specific human embodyment.

I don't see why the Queen shouldn't keep on living in her palaces and waving to tourists if she likes - (or not if she doesn't) . . . so long as she pays tax like her former subjects

**SurfDemon** · Apr 30th, 2001, 11:32 AM

Mmm, I think the Ozzies should get rid of the queen. I'm curious what difference it will make to their country (how exactly is the queen to blame for all your woes?

). We laugh our socks off to hear the Ozzies winging on about the queen or a republic, sorry, but this may come as a shock to you, but we don't care. It's not like we're all living it up in Britain on Australian taxes!!!!

Get rid of the queen, (we'll exchange her for Rolf Harris!).

Just my two AUS$

SD

**chrisjk** · Apr 30th, 2001, 04:41 PM

and the minogue twins. And Jason donovan. And any other soap "star" who insists on doing Panto.

**SurfDemon** · Apr 30th, 2001, 04:47 PM

Originally posted by chrisjk
and the minogue twins. And Jason donovan. And any other soap "star" who insists on doing Panto.

Yeah, poor panto's exhausted and needs a rest

SD

**chrisjk** · Apr 30th, 2001, 04:55 PM

one track mind man, one track mind.

Jethro · Apr 30th, 2001, 07:23 PM

Originally posted by SurfDemon
Mmm, I think the Ozzies should get rid of the queen. I'm curious what difference it will make to their country (how exactly is the queen to blame for all your woes?). We laugh our socks off to hear the Ozzies winging on about the queen or a republic, sorry, but this may come as a shock to you, but we don't care. It's not like we're all living it up in Britain on Australian taxes!!!!

Get rid of the queen, (we'll exchange her for Rolf Harris!).

Just my two AUS$

SD

The Queen isn't to blame for our woes....well except for John Howards fawning about her like a lap dog. It's just felt that as a multi cultural society we should not have a Foreigner as head of state...symbolic sure.....but an increasing percentage of OZ's population come from non-English backgrounds, and have no notion of Queen.

Plus we would save millions a year on the various state Governors......

**Beacon** · Apr 30th, 2001, 07:43 PM

Kzin & Simonm:

Do Not! Why?
Because i have never seen Australia on the cover of a Brit paper! or make major news or send us help or anything!
But you did take away Kylie and Craig Mclaughlin!
Perhaps to make it up your cricket team good put up a bit of a fight!

Bieng a democracy wont give us much that we dont have. Probably less things for you poms who come here though!
I agree with Jethro John Howards a beeep beeep beep
so he can beep the queens beep!

Why do poms want to be a republic?

**cyberwarpy** · Apr 30th, 2001, 07:54 PM

That's not the impression we get here in Australia about you guys...

The things we hear over the media... ooooohh... it seems like you guys love the Queen or something...

Originally posted by Geoff Gunson
I voted yes as well, I think it really doesn't matter all that much, it would create a lot of business changing all the flags and all.

How many poms still want an monarcy anyway!?!?

100% of my office said

G

**chrisjk** · Apr 30th, 2001, 08:07 PM

well your media is full of crap then. When they ask surveys like "Shall we keep the monarchy or become republic?" ~70% will say keep monarchy but only because they can't be arsed to have to put up with all the other crap that would mean and most of all because it's a change. Why change something if it isn't broken. They cost us a few £££, but any president would take just as much, so **** it why bother. She can go round waving at people and going around in her Rolls Royce (which is the only car in the world - on pulic roads - not to have a reg plate). Nobody really cares.

Jethro · Apr 30th, 2001, 08:18 PM

Originally posted by chrisjk
well your media is full of crap then. When they ask surveys like "Shall we keep the monarchy or become republic?" ~70% will say keep monarchy but only because they can't be arsed to have to put up with all the other crap that would mean and most of all because it's a change. Why change something if it isn't broken. They cost us a few £££, but any president would take just as much, so **** it why bother. She can go round waving at people and going around in her Rolls Royce (which is the only car in the world - on pulic roads - not to have a reg plate). Nobody really cares.

Hmmmm...that simple explains what is wrong with England...

By the way a Republic does not necessarily mean a President!

For Oz my view is

Can the Queen.

Can the state Parliments.....that wont happen cause the rich need some place to send their idiot third child.....oh hang Downer is in the Federal Parliment.

Increased the size of Federal Parliment.....and take the vote away from all the idiots who voted for GST, cause they are too stupid to be able to cast a vote.

**SurfDemon** · Apr 30th, 2001, 08:22 PM

The bottom line is, it's your country and you can do whatever you want with it. We don't care (well I don't

).

You seem to vote etc. on it every now and then and we hear something about it, but as far as we're concerned it's not really a big issue to us.

I don't mind the queen, but I don't particularly like her, or her kids (apart from Andrew, he always seemed to be off shagging some bird - pitty about his choice of wife!). It's just that I've always thought there were far more important things to worry about in this world

Hands up all who think Edwards as Gay as a fairy in a pink tutu?

Surf Demons hands shoot way way up in the air.

SD

Jethro · Apr 30th, 2001, 08:41 PM

Originally posted by SurfDemon
The bottom line is, it's your country and you can do whatever you want with it. We don't care (well I don't).

Thanks SD

You seem to vote etc. on it every now and then and we hear something about it, but as far as we're concerned it's not really a big issue to us.

The government did their level best to side track the debate and achieved that, which is about the only policy that has worked for them in three years.

I don't mind the queen, but I don't particularly like her, or her kids (apart from Andrew, he always seemed to be off shagging some bird - pitty about his choice of wife!). It's just that I've always thought there were far more important things to worry about in this world

There is, and soon as we become a republic we will fix those as well

Hands up all who think Edwards as Gay as a fairy in a pink tutu?

As camp as a row of tents mate

Surf Demons hands shoot way way up in the air.

*jethro gives SD high five, low five, slide five*

SD

**Beacon** · Apr 30th, 2001, 08:52 PM

Fine then we will SD!

And because of our british background we will winge about it!

I agree whomever voted GST was a good idea is a total f__kwit!
That includes John Howard!

Hey watch BackBerner last night! **** thats a funny political pistake!

Jethro · Apr 30th, 2001, 09:10 PM

...lol.....

Specially enjoyed the expert talking about foreign investment.

**Beacon** · Apr 30th, 2001, 11:31 PM

and the bit about paulines dress sense etc.
Love that show!

**cyberwarpy** · May 1st, 2001, 12:02 AM

I bet ya CUE Fashion is making a loss

Originally posted by Beacon
and the bit about paulines dress sense etc.
Love that show!

Jethro · May 1st, 2001, 12:05 AM

Mr Hanson, (sick puppy that he is) will only have sex with Pauline if she wears a paper bag, and well the paper bag company refuses to sell her anymore.

Oh my god

A sexual frustrated Pauline Hanson!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Run for the hills!

**cyberwarpy** · May 1st, 2001, 12:17 AM

Ok Then...

Majority of Australians (The New Generation) want Australia to become a republic... So, What about the New Flag... To become a republic we must get rid of the damn Union Jack and replace it with something.

I've got an idea:

Make it look like the American Flag except there's only the 7 Stars instead of the 50!

**Beacon** · May 1st, 2001, 12:40 AM

No bloody way!

I think it should incumber some stars, my avatar, naked women!

Beer represents - wealth(afford it), knowledge(we know what good beer is)

Naked Women represent - the right for women to walk naked down any street they want!
I'm sure thats in the republic laws somewhere!

Stars represent what your head feels like the next morning!

**cyberwarpy** · May 1st, 2001, 12:44 AM

So...gimme an Idea! A purple flag with a naked woman holding a VB can on it... hahahhah

Originally posted by Beacon
No bloody way!

I think it should incumber some stars, my avatar, naked women!

Beer represents - wealth(afford it), knowledge(we know what good beer is)

Naked Women represent - the right for women to walk naked down any street they want!
I'm sure thats in the republic laws somewhere!

Stars represent what your head feels like the next morning!

Jethro · May 1st, 2001, 12:47 AM

Originally posted by cyberwarpy
So...gimme an Idea! A purple flag with a naked woman holding a VB can on it... hahahhah

And kicking a football.....................

**cyberwarpy** · May 1st, 2001, 12:57 AM

Hmmm... I'm gonna flee the country to avoid international embrassement

Originally posted by Jethro

And kicking a football.....................

**Jeff_1** · May 1st, 2001, 12:57 AM

As soon as i become a google-billionare and buy my own island somewhere in the south pacific..your all invited too live there..and the only rule is drink all the alcohol you can. ( is that a rule or a common practice

)

I can already picture it..my nations flag will be the jack daniels insignia but instead of it saying "jack daniels" on the top it is going too say "alkoholica"..and you can have all the different kind of kebob's ( spelt correctly? ) and i will settle for my burgers

oh yeah ..my own personal cigarette company of course

**cyberwarpy** · May 1st, 2001, 01:02 AM

Are you in Australia Jeff_1? You can have Tasmania!

Originally posted by Jeff_1
As soon as i become a google-billionare and buy my own island somewhere in the south pacific..your all invited too live there..and the only rule is drink all the alcohol you can. ( is that a rule or a common practice )

I can already picture it..my nations flag will be the jack daniels insignia but instead of it saying "jack daniels" on the top it is going too say "alkoholica"..and you can have all the different kind of kebob's ( spelt correctly? ) and i will settle for my burgers
oh yeah ..my own personal cigarette company of course

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