Foot & Mouth

[Beacon]

hmmm i may be jumping the gun but it seems Foot and Mouth has been transfered onto humans!

How. Contact with the animals bodily fluids!
I doctor from the UK was interviewed a Aus TV today and when asked how they may of contracted F&M he said:
"Well in one case this morning it seems the person has splashed the animals bodily fluids over thier face!"

What the hell are you ppl doing over there?

If this is proved to be correct then i remember someone in this forum in response to me saying:
"that if there was i war Europe would have no meat foods for the soldiers and therefore would be weakened!"

someone said " Our soldiers would eat the dieseased meat. In fact they probably already do!" Not quoted word for word!

I'd hate to be in your armed forces!

[chrisjk]

It has happened 40 times in the past (been transfered that is) and this is the second time ever it has happened here. It isn't contagious (aparently) and is not in any way life-threatening. He's just got blisters in his mouth and over other parts of his body (pretty nasty). He was moving the carcases around so he was in direct contact with them.

I feel I should do my bit for the tourism industry and say that you aren't even likely to see the result of the epidemic, let alone catch anything. This county (West Sussex) has not had a single case and as such is completely open to tourists. Only Cumbria and Devon/Cornwall are pretty much off-limits to countryside strollers. Zoo's and other attractions are beginning to open but a lot of people are going to be out of busines by summer, and it's not even their fault. Kinda sucks but that's life I spose.

[Beacon]

Yeah i heard it's not contagious and not life threatening.
This was just to the ppl who said ppl couldn't catch it!

I'd hate to have blisters in my mouth!

I don't think tourism will suffer too much!
As long as it don't come over here!

[Jethro]

Have worked in meat works, and generally by the time you are dragging meat around its dead/passed on/Ian insert more here. So exactly what was this guy doing with the meat.

And yes you want see evidence of the epidemic...just a lot of green pastures with nothing in them

Surely this current situation with F&M must have been cleaned up by now.

Beacon

Don't worry Dude, we would just feed the F&M meat to the illegal immigrants. Hopefully a two birds with one stone solution that will appeal to Pauline Hanson.

[Beacon]

Good idea! Jethro

Cleaned Up ha apprently according to the news there covering themselves in bodily fluids of the dead animals!

Is this a new cult or something?

[simonm]

Actually, there's nothing wrong with eating meat from infected animals (especially if you cook it first).

I live in Devon (one of the worst affected areas of the UK) and there are infected farms all around where I live and sometimes the air is thick with the smoke of burning cattle.

It's such a difficult disease to stop though as it spreads so fast and far. It's highly infectious and it can be spread through the air for up to 100 miles. It's not suprising it's taking so long to stop it.

As far as humans catching it though, I think humans are more likely to catch the human equivilant of BSE than they are F&M (and that's saying something).

[chrismitchell]

The only people who should be worried about catching Foot and Mouth is Politicians.... No wait.... Thats Foot IN Mouth!

[chrisjk]

Originally posted by Jethro
So exactly what was this guy doing with the meat.

He was either moving it from a farm to be burned, or moving the burned stuff to a burial site. Neither of which i'd volunteer for in hurry.

[barrk]

Originally posted by chrismitchell
The only people who should be worried about catching Foot and Mouth is Politicians.... No wait.... Thats Foot IN Mouth!

[Kzin]

Originally posted by simonm

As far as humans catching it though, I think humans are more likely to catch the human equivilant of BSE than they are F&M (and that's saying something).

Well its about 10^-6 pa for BSE on current stats and that is with most of the population eating contaminated material. That's the short term figure of course - there is no definite prognosis or indication of the incubation period. Since they haven't started eating F&M contaminated stuff (or vaccinated stuff) yet we don't have the stats to compare them.

BTW - is anyone else on this list living INSIDE a "quarantined" area? The yellow signs went up on the gate the day after the last F&M thread was on Chit Chat and even now the mailman leaves the mail in a nappy (diaper) bin at the gates. We are (I'm pleased to say) allowed in and out ourselves.

[Kzin]

[Jethro]

Originally posted by chrismitchell
The only people who should be worried about catching Foot and Mouth is Politicians.... No wait.... Thats Foot IN Mouth!

....lol.....

By the way English people we get a considerable amount of your cooking shows here, (Jamie Oliver is pretty cool). Why do the English persist in taking a perfectly good piece of fish, then smothering it in butter and other ingrediants. Don't you guys get sushi there?

I will state this once:

Salmon steak should be lightly seared and pink in the middle <- hmmmm could have phrased that better with Parksie and Ian about.

[HarryW]

I'm not a big fan of fish. Don't even like fish & chips particularly.

[Jethro]

Originally posted by HarryW
I'm not a big fan of fish. Don't even like fish & chips particularly.

Thanks for that Harry

[simonm]

Smothering fish in sauces (with or without butter) is a european thing, not an 'english' thing. And, to answer your question, if you live outside London, there is very little chance of ever comming into contact with sushi, let alone eating it.

Salmon steak should be lightly seared and pink in the middle.

I disagree with this strongly! I know it is very trendy at the moment to undercook fish. 'Codswallap', I say. Don't get me wrong, I like (some) raw fish like salmon and tuna but I also like cooked fish. What I don't like is fish that is a 'halfway house' between being raw and cooked.

[chrismitchell]

Hey I think that brittish cooking has become very good now.. (thanks to people like Jamie Oliver etc..).. I am an avid chef.. I like to cook.. I think that it is nice to add herbs and spices and all sorts of stuff to food because then it brings back memories of other meals and good times etc... As for Sushi... Marvellous stuff!!

[Kzin]

Originally posted by Jethro


....lol.....

By the way English people we get a considerable amount of your cooking shows here, (Jamie Oliver is pretty cool). Why do the English persist in taking a perfectly good piece of fish, then smothering it in butter and other ingrediants. Don't you guys get sushi there?

I will state this once:

Salmon steak should be lightly seared and pink in the middle

Basically the seafood that we get is not as good as the stuff that that you get. Think about it - In Oz you've go about as many people as there are in London eating the produce of from two major ocean coasts - In the Uk we are 'sharing' the produce of the North Atlantic and North Sea with about four hundred million Europeans. As a result even the salmon are farmed at high density (and full of chemicals) here rather than being wild.

[Mark Sreeves]

Hopefully the Foot & Mouth farce will be the downfall of Tony Bair at the next general election.
Labour have NEVER won a 2nd term in office and I don't think that **** Blair is worthy of making history.

It's a shame there's no feasable opposition though.

[simonm]

No, they don't deserve another term in parliment but then the tories certianly didn't deserve four terms in government the last time round.

Actually, I don't think the government have handled the F&M crisis that badly, at least that's not the worst of their crimes anyway!

[chrisjk]

I think they deserve another term. Sure they have *****ed up on occasions, but who hasn't? And Baldy will never make PM, he's far to smarmy. However, I thoroughly dislike the following and if Tony has any sense he will dump them:

John Prescott
Robin Cook
Jack Straw

I midly dislike:
Gordon Brown, but only because he is chancellor and therefore is bound to be berated.

Other non-related dislikes:
My MP, Peter Bottomley
Wills Hague and all his shadow cabinet, esp Ann Widdecombe
Charles Kennedy - he has done nothing for Lib Dems, or anybody else for that matter.

[Beacon]

Kzin: Just as long as you don't come down here and eat all our fish! I must say there more than 2 oceans though!
And our seafood rips!

Mark Sreeves:
We got to candidates for ya John Howard and Alexander Downer!
Ones a hopeless cricket fanatic whose PM. The other is well hmmm well an Idiot!

[chrisjk]

Good news everyone!! The people suspected of having Foot and Mouth don't actually have it. Which means we still only have 1 case ever of a human catching it (in 1967 i think)

[Kzin]

Originally posted by Beacon
Kzin: Just as long as you don't come down here and eat all our fish! I must say there more than 2 oceans though!
And our seafood rips!

Well I was thinking Pacific and India Ocean which gives you quite good access to seafood

Is it Jethro who lives down on the south coast of australia somewhere?

[Kzin]

Originally posted by chrisjk
And Baldy will never make PM, he's far to smarmy.

What about his wife

[Beacon]

Umm hard to explain!

I think over 70%+ of Austrlia's population lives on the coast!

We have the southern ocean as well!

South coast! Well that could mean anywhere from tasmania to WA!
They really should get proper names! Usually south coast is reffered to as southern NSW coast near Victoria border! i think Jethro???

I think jethro's from the central coast which is just up! I forget what his profile said. Central Coast of NSW!

But best fish is from the west! Why coz it's never been touched!

[Jethro]

Central Coast -> approx 2 hours north of Sydney.

South Coast -> approx 2 hours south of Sydney.

Yes we do spend a lot of time thinking about place names.,

Simon, to cook salmon any further would destroy it's natural flavours.

Calling Alexander Downer an Idiot is going a bit fair. He doesn't have the intelligence to get there.

[chenko]

Hart ol

[Beacon]

hart ol?

what???

[cyberwarpy]

Don't tell me you tried some... ?!!!?

Originally posted by simonm
Actually, there's nothing wrong with eating meat from infected animals (especially if you cook it first).

[simonm]

Simon, to cook salmon any further would destroy it's natural flavours.

Well, you could probably extend that argument to any meat, fish or vegetable. Cooking invariably changes the flavour of food. It also makes it more digestable and easier to break down to absorb the vitamins (although over cooking may destroy the vitamins).

With regard to salmon, I don't believe the flavours are destroyed by cooking it, more like the strong flavour is moderated. That is not always a bad thing.

[chenko]

Originally posted by Beacon
hart ol?

what???

nanga poop

[Kzin]

Originally posted by Jethro
Central Coast -> approx 2 hours north of Sydney.

South Coast -> approx 2 hours south of Sydney.

Yes we do spend a lot of time thinking about place names.,

Drat! I know that the bottom part of Australia (South Coast) is about as long as the whole of the west coast of american or as the mediterranean but I'd never met anyone from there - I guessed once you hitched out of Adelaide westward there would be pretty much nothing until you got to Perth - I'd hoped Jethro would be in a beach shack about half way along

[Kzin]

Originally posted by Beacon
Umm hard to explain!
I think over 70%+ of Austrlia's population lives on the coast!

The way its portrayed over here is that eveyone lives by the coast in Australia except the denizens of Alice Springs

Originally posted by Beacon


But best fish is from the west! Why coz it's never been touched!

So I have to go to somewhere like Bunbury?

[kedaman]

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[Jethro]

Originally posted by Kzin


The way its portrayed over here is that eveyone lives by the coast in Australia except the denizens of Alice Springs

More or less...it gets really surreal in the Bush....

You guys getting Survivors in Oz over there. Yoiu know that crap seppo show. Best quote about it came from Paul Hogan:

"Yeah l recognised the camp site, took the kids for a picnic there last summer"

Also.............

A few months ago they had to rescue some seppo who had decided to walk from Townsville to Perth, apparently only took a backpack and declare he would be there in a few days. Seppos are really dumb l guess. Hey maybe "Dumb and Dumber" is a doco on the average seppos IQ.

[Beacon]

Kzin:

Unfortunetely the eastern staters defy any logic in naming places.
Central coast logic would say that is somewhere near Uluru!
But it is actually in NSW.
South Coast you would think would be in Tassie but no it's as Jethro said still in NSW!
I would imagine the north coast is in NSW as well!
Bizarre! Why is this Jethro?

Ahh now your talking Kzin! Bunbury! Go 1 hour south from there and it is the most beautiful country i've ever seen. Plus about 1 person per 1km! All on the coast perfect Waves, Fishing, Weather!
Hang on. Nahh it's really crap! I wouldnt go there!

But the real fishing happens up north of WA like Jurien Bay, Kalbarri, Abrohlos Islands! I can't tell you how good it is!

[Beacon]

Yeah Jethro!

Howabout that candian/american Robert Boguki or BaKooki as he's known?

Came here to WA decided to go find GOD so went for a walk just north east of geraldton in a desert/scrub got lost for 20 days + with no water. WA is mostly bush/desert.

Then was found by a TV chopper crew! After costing us millions in search $$$$.

Survivor should be getting dropped off in the Kimberly (NW WA) and having to walk to Perth with No food no water etc.
Voting off! They probably would be voting who they'd eat first!

Poxy!

[Jethro]

North coast is in NSW toward the Queensland border.

Don't know Beacon, they probably thought all the good names were taken

We also have Brooklyn on the central coast....there's also one in Wellington NZ.

Hey l live in a place called Wamberal, which is probably koori for "What do you reckon we should call it".

[Beacon]

jethro:


I've heard of that place! Maybe it stands for South Central Coast!

NSW has a lot of coasts!

[Jethro]

Originally posted by Beacon
jethro:


I've heard of that place! Maybe it stands for South Central Coast!

NSW has a lot of coasts!

Yeap and they are all down the one side of the state