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[dclamp]

database probably isnt the best place to start. You should get a feel of the controls that you have to work with first. Go with a simple web browser. You can utilize a lot of controls, while making a useful application.

[oceanebelle]

database probably isnt the best place to start. You should get a feel of the controls that you have to work with first. Go with a simple web browser. You can utilize a lot of controls, while making a useful application.

whenever I start an application, the first thing I would do is sit down and make the database all its entities and relations and from there work the business logic slowly.

see I have trouble writing one piece of code for a data driven app when the data definitions are not in place yet.

[RhinoBull]

whenever I start an application, the first thing I would do is sit down and make the database all its entities and relations and from there work the business logic slowly...

But how in the world can you even start modeling your database if you know nothing (or very little) about the business that may ultimately run off of it?!

[oceanebelle]

But how in the world can you even start modeling your database if you know nothing (or very little) about the business that may ultimately run off of it?!

aah, for personal projects I generally have an idea but no set business rules first. I do this because I tend to focus on what specific part of the programming language I want to learn. Since I am my own client, I tend to bend business rules as I see fit, that's why it's rather impractical if I make the entire business logic and rules before anything else.

However, real world projects are a different class entirely but I do like to shape the database alongside business logic.
As much as I can, I'd try to get a high level understanding of the application from the clients before modeling the database and constantly review that as the business rules gets cleared. Clients tend to be vague with their requirements as well.

[dclamp]

Thats not what i meant. I meant that he should not start his very first project ever as a program that deals with a database.

I agree with you that you should start with database structure.