Chinese Military hacking

[nemaroller]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6977533.stm

Concerning the above, is it illegal for a private American citizen or citizens to hack Chinese military computers? Certainly intruding into private networks is illegal, but would that apply to victims outside of the US - most notably the Red Army?

[DeadEyes]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/5156136.stm
Well it's illegal for British citizens to hack American Military networks so I assume it's also illegal for Americans to hack other nations defence networks.
Unless of course you work for the government in which case it's probably ok like for example when it comes to killing people.

I would imagine the law punishes unauthorised access without specifiing different levels of illegality for who or where.

[capsulecorpjx]

Why the F are any defense networks connected to the Internet?

[GaryMazzone]

What do you think the Internet started as?

[capsulecorpjx]

What do you think the Internet started as?

I understand that, but I would think high security networks would be cut off from the outside internet.

You know, a closed Intranet.

[mendhak]

Defense personnel may need to access information in their network from outside the network, just like any other large office/corporation. They could have their own infrastructure setup but I'd imagine the costs would be immense. And the costs wouldn't be justifiable either. It's not like setting up infrastructure compares to bombing the excreta out of other countries.

[wossname]

Idle Presidents are the Devil's playthings.

*** U.S. Government Installation: Pentagon ***

You are now entering a high-security military computer system.

YOUR ACTIVITY IS BEING MONITORED...

*-------------------------------------------------------------*

login as: george.bush

Enter password: gwb

!!! Access denied. Login attempts remaining: 3 !!!



login as: george.bush

Enter password: gwb1

--> Access granted. Welcome Mr. President


[george.bush@pentagon ~]$ hello

--> Command not found.



[george.bush@pentagon ~]$ your not nice

--> Command not found.



[george.bush@pentagon ~]$ i'm bored

--> Command not found.



[george.bush@pentagon ~]$ nuke iran

--> Done.


[george.bush@pentagon ~]$ undo

--> Command not found.

[DonCash]

lol!

[sevenhalo]

To add to what mendhak said...

Satellites wouldn't work because you're still broadcasting. Anyone with a receiver can get it. Sure it's encrypted, but it would be the same as using the normal internet. The bonus of using the internet is you can hide in the clutter. If you spend time sniffing and packet snooping, the odds of getting military secrets vs a youtube video of Timmy blowing out his birthday candles are pretty substantial. Security through obscurity - the meme is real.

Sure, most people just show up at their door and listen, but there's the caveat - you have to show up at their door. This gives them time to know a little about you. 99% of the time, you'll be 4 nodes in before you even realize you've entered their network. It's a technique called honeypotting. Very effective technique when done right.

Your other option is setting up your own infrastructure (like mendhak was mentioning). Not only is this costly, but taking into account the reasons I gave previously, it would be pure WAN and all wired. 1) That's expensive 2) How can anyone across the ocean or in an impromptu camp connect and be responsive in a reasonable amount of time and 3) We can't even effectively guard a wall between Mexico and America from people jumping over let alone hundreds of thousands of miles of wire from someone splicing and listening directly off the line (which, nowadays - the signal is strong enough you don't even have to cut it. You can pick up the signals through the insulation).

[capsulecorpjx]

To add to what mendhak said...

Satellites wouldn't work because you're still broadcasting. Anyone with a receiver can get it. Sure it's encrypted, but it would be the same as using the normal internet. The bonus of using the internet is you can hide in the clutter. If you spend time sniffing and packet snooping, the odds of getting military secrets vs a youtube video of Timmy blowing out his birthday candles are pretty substantial. Security through obscurity - the meme is real.

Sure, most people just show up at their door and listen, but there's the caveat - you have to show up at their door. This gives them time to know a little about you. 99% of the time, you'll be 4 nodes in before you even realize you've entered their network. It's a technique called honeypotting. Very effective technique when done right.

Your other option is setting up your own infrastructure (like mendhak was mentioning). Not only is this costly, but taking into account the reasons I gave previously, it would be pure WAN and all wired. 1) That's expensive 2) How can anyone across the ocean or in an impromptu camp connect and be responsive in a reasonable amount of time and 3) We can't even effectively guard a wall between Mexico and America from people jumping over let alone hundreds of thousands of miles of wire from someone splicing and listening directly off the line (which, nowadays - the signal is strong enough you don't even have to cut it. You can pick up the signals through the insulation).

Fo' Shizzle.

[staticbob]

...We can't even effectively guard a wall between Mexico and America from people jumping over ...

You have a wall.

We have 20 miles of 50 meter deep water and we still cant stop them.

[capsulecorpjx]

You have a wall.

We have 20 miles of 50 meter deep water and we still cant stop them.

Well if the US economy crashes from all this debt in the future, the silver lining will be that they will stop coming.