Vb programmmer

[vivek_master146]

Did you became vb programmer after doing some professional course or on your own?

[Pino]

I'm moving this to general developer.

Most people on this forum program at home and at work hence most of them are here in there free time. You may get a biased result.

I also assume that while most of us have become programmers through self teaching (Books/Online) many of us will have at some point through our companies attended courses

Hope that helps

[tommygrayson]

By my own, companies too cheap to pay for the training.

I also tend to learn faster through self-learning.

[Hack]

By my own, companies too cheap to pay for the training.

Bingo. The only training classes in VB that I've ever had were in VB3 back in the early '90s

[GaryMazzone]

I'm a little better I got VB4 in the mid 90s

[RhinoBull]

You may want to add few other options like

- Both (this would combine the first two that already on the poll)
- College
- All of the above <<< this would apply to me

[RhinoBull]

By my own, companies too cheap to pay for the training...

No all of them - vast majority are pretty smart about this. Some companies cannot even survive without training their personal.
If they train you regardless of what it is they basically invest in you and business as a whole thing.
The chance that you may leave maybe high but there is always a risk when it comes to investement.

[Hack]

- College

When I was in college, computer classes didn't exist.

[RhinoBull]

They probably existed but in selected schools only.

[techgnome]

75% self-taught
5% college/schooling training
20% Military training

And even then, some of the military trainign was - here's the disks, there's your computer, and there's your desk. And that was my introduction to VB3.


-tg

[vivek_master146]

Its shows that many of you are exper. programmers. Sometimes when high-reputed members like you all give codes it seems difficult for me to understand. As i hardly have 1 yr exp. I have also learned by my own through source codes and only one book VB BLACK BOOK 6.0.

[bgmacaw]

When I was in college, computer classes didn't exist.

At my college back in the 70's we didn't have enough classes for a full CS major, only a minor under the math department. I took one class to get a math elective, "Introduction to Computer Programming", where they taught BASIC over a teletype or CRT terminal connection to a CDC Cyber at a state university. It was a lot more fun than the calculus and statistics classes I took for my other core hours. They also offered 2 classes in Fortran, 2 in COBOL, and one in 'Advanced Systems Analysis'.

As for VB, I learned it on my own. I bought my own copy of VB1 and started learning it on my own although my job then was DOS based QuickBasic, MASM and C.

[tommygrayson]

No all of them - vast majority are pretty smart about this. Some companies cannot even survive without training their personal.
If they train you regardless of what it is they basically invest in you and business as a whole thing.
The chance that you may leave maybe high but there is always a risk when it comes to investement.

True. Not all. But there are only a few companies who did train and the fewer only train what is good for your career which is programming.

Most of the few mentioned above is more on work ethics and management skills. They would rather give you a MINERVA rather than a MCP training.

Some say "hell yeah" to those offer but I would rather say "Not my style."

[RhinoBull]

I really have no idea what you just said...
I've worked in a different industries and different (in terms of size) companies - each one of them did offer solid professional training program regardless of what it is (management, computer programming, networking, secretaries, etc, etc...).

[tommygrayson]

I really have no idea what you just said...
I've worked in a different industries and different (in terms of size) companies - each one of them did offer solid professional training program regardless of what it is (management, computer programming, networking, secretaries, etc, etc...).

Really? Most of the companies I have worked for did not offer any training programs.

It's good you always land in companies who "offer solid professional and career related training programs" but for the rest of us here did not had the leisure of being offered at all and that's final.

[Pino]

I disagree, I've been offered lots of differant courses Java/.Net/C++ i've turned some down due to time constraints.

[tommygrayson]

I disagree, I've been offered lots of differant courses Java/.Net/C++ i've turned some down due to time constraints.

On what part of the phrase you disagree on? Maybe I can correct myself.

We are not on the same Location anyway. As you can see I am nowhere near your place.

In our "neighborhood" solid training courses are not given any importance due to the following reasons:

1. We are just a bunch of support group. We are not on the main operations frontline.

2. The main product line is not in Information Technology. I also work for a manufacturing firm.

3. My manager is just too cheap and disrespectful and says it is just a waste of money to train people.

[bgmacaw]

Really? Most of the companies I have worked for did not offer any training programs.

It's good you always land in companies who "offer solid professional and career related training programs" but for the rest of us here did not had the leisure of being offered at all and that's final.

Most companies I've worked for usually paid lip service to training by spouting out platitudes about it but when it came to actually scheduling training or them paying for it, well, that was a different story.

[RhinoBull]

Really? Most of the companies I have worked for did not offer any training programs.

It's good you always land in companies who "offer solid professional and career related training programs" but for the rest of us here did not had the leisure of being offered at all and that's final.

I don't know what part of the world you're from but in my town it's the opposite.
Of course, they have budgets and far not everybody may offer the same amount of training but again in my town if company can benefit from investing in you few thousand bucks they won't hesitate.
Most of the businesses arround here are budgeting for employeel's training about a year in advance.
Most of courses cost about $500 a day and with corporate discounts it would be even less. The length of the course may vary between 2 and 5 days.
If you take on average 2 training courses per year... well, you do the math.
And btw, some companies will pay your partial college tuition if your major is directly related to what you do.

Maybe you want to move, eh?

[RhinoBull]

3. My manager is just too cheap and disrespectful and says it is just a waste of money to train people.

It's time for you to change the job indeed.

[Hack]

Most companies I've worked for usually paid lip service to training by spouting out platitudes about it but when it came to actually scheduling training or them paying for it, well, that was a different story.

The company I'm currently doing onsite work for has decided to develop their own inhouse training program.

So, instead of a week long authorized Microsoft class in, say, Access, you go to a two day class taught by another employee that has been using Access for a couple of years.

I guess it is better than nothing. Most of the employees that I know that have been through this pretty much consider it a two day vacation without having to spend vacation days.

[tommygrayson]

It's time for you to change the job indeed.

Indeed, but not at the moment. I have not lasted 6 months yet.

[RhinoBull]

I see, well next time don't hesitate to ask if they offere any training at all.

Good luck tommy.

[tommygrayson]

I see, well next time don't hesitate to ask if they offere any training at all.

Good luck tommy.

I already did that. Can't you see my earlier post?



<I'm beginning to wonder the meaning of the sentence you posted if I actually got it.>

[RhinoBull]

I meant to say "if you are on the job market <rest of the frase goes here>"

[tommygrayson]

I meant to say "if you are on the job market <rest of the frase goes here>"

Okay Thanks.

You know you gave me a good idea.

2 Months from now. I am going to open a thread and ask you guys a question about international companies who are offering "solid training courses with certifications" who are not freeze hiring or cost cutting.

Cool!

[szlamany]

Those last bunch of posts were really unreadable...

One of my clients offered to pay for an on-line class on .Net 3 years ago for me. I had only done VB6 up to that point and only for a couple of years...

I took the class - 50% of it was useless as I would have expected.

40% of it was good information - but I could have gotten it in help files when I needed to get it anyway.

10% of it was net-new information that helped me jump into .Net more quickly.

But back to the original question - I started coding prior to 1980 and all on my own. I was lucky my HS has main-frame type computers that the students could program against.