Windows XP

**parksie** · Mar 28th, 2001, 02:55 PM

Does anyone have a copy of the preview version they could send me on CD, please? I tried to register for it and buy one but they say it's US and Canada only

Mar 28th, 2001, 02:59 PM

Me too

I have the old BETA Whistler thou parksie. Took me ages to download it and then they brought out the newer one

**Active** · Mar 28th, 2001, 03:14 PM

So...Is there no need for the rest of the World to test
Their Software ? ARrrrGhhh...This is outrageous !

**CiberTHuG** · Mar 28th, 2001, 03:18 PM

Is it that Active or did they put 128bit encryption in the preview? I dunno.

**parksie** · Mar 28th, 2001, 03:35 PM

128bit is okay now

**CiberTHuG** · Mar 28th, 2001, 03:39 PM

Okay now as in not considered a munition and thus exportable?

When did this happen?

**Kzin** · Mar 28th, 2001, 03:49 PM

Originally posted by parksie
Does anyone have a copy of the preview version they could send me on CD, please? I tried to register for it and buy one but they say it's US and Canada only

Me too *please*!

Can you really only get XP in the states? How will they deal with regionalization issues that they claim are so difficult?

Mar 28th, 2001, 03:51 PM

I think he's saying that about the public beta versions of XP.

**CiberTHuG** · Mar 28th, 2001, 03:54 PM

Originally posted by Kzin

Me too *please*!

Can you really only get XP in the states? How will they deal with regionalization issues that they claim are so difficult?

Kzin, keep in mind, this is only the preview, not a beta release or the commercial version.

I was just wondering if there was 128bit encryption code in the preview. That would limit its release. If that is the reason, don't worry, there will be a weaker version of the final product for export, just like there is for W2K et al.

Parksie, are you saying we have eased our export restrictions?

**Kzin** · Mar 28th, 2001, 04:04 PM

Originally posted by CiberTHuG

Kzin, keep in mind, this is only the preview, not a beta release or the commercial version.

Good point - does that mean that the beta has already been done?

Originally posted by CiberTHuG

Parksie, are you saying we have eased our export restrictions?

Yes - 128-bit SSL is available pretty much worldwide and you can download the source for a number of 128-bit (or higher) encryption routines from the AES if you want to make your own high security encryption (and presumably if you are an Iraqi or Libyan)

I have a copy of this months wired in front of me here which says that Sadam was only allowed to import 486s last year as Pentiums were restricted - I guess he has to use Linux!

**CiberTHuG** · Mar 28th, 2001, 04:14 PM

Originally posted by Kzin
Sadam was only allowed to import 486s last year as Pentiums were restricted - I guess he has to use Linux!

Damn. We saved him from the scourge of the Earth that is MS.

Anyway, I'm confused. DeCSS was orginally from Europe. But we still can't export it. Just because our neighbor has a gun, doesn't mean we can sell him more.

If we have eased restrictions, what is the new restriction?

**Kzin** · Mar 28th, 2001, 04:34 PM

Originally posted by Kzin

Sadam was only allowed to import 486s last year as Pentiums were restricted - I guess he has to use Linux!

Originally posted by CiberTHuG

Damn. We saved him from the scourge of the Earth that is MS.

Just think - in six months time he will go to his underground research base to find out if the modelling for his new nuclear weapons are complete and they will explain that they have got the first Linux box to read its CD drive and they are nearly ready to run 'Emacs' for the first time

**CiberTHuG** · Mar 28th, 2001, 04:41 PM

Originally posted by Kzin
Just think - in six months time he will go to his underground research base to find out if the modelling for his new nuclear weapons are complete and they will explain that they have got the first Linux box to read its CD drive and they are nearly ready to run 'Emacs' for the first time

Emacs? feh... just stick to vi.

Six months? Are you saying the Iraqi are stupid? I think you might offend the Iraqi loyals who are reading this.

**parksie** · Mar 28th, 2001, 04:51 PM

Well...it took me ages to get anywhere with Linux

**CiberTHuG** · Mar 28th, 2001, 05:03 PM

*grumblegrumble*

I wrote this nice response, Parksie, but the server was too busy to post it.

Anyway... point was (in a more eloquant way):

There is a trade off. When you make a more stable, more robust, more open, more under-the-hood OS, you have to live with the fact that no one had time to market it or make it dummyfied. You have to live with the fact that there is a stepper learning curve.

**parksie** · Mar 28th, 2001, 05:13 PM

I know that

I still remember installing Yggdrasil Linux ages ago...recompiling the kernel with a text-based tool

Takes you back, doesn't it!

I don't actually care if it's not dummified -- makes it easier for us techies

**Kzin** · Mar 28th, 2001, 05:43 PM

Originally posted by CiberTHuG
*grumblegrumble*

I wrote this nice response, Parksie, but the server was too busy to post it.

Anyway... point was (in a more eloquant way):

There is a trade off. When you make a more stable, more robust, more open, more under-the-hood OS, you have to live with the fact that no one had time to market it or make it dummyfied. You have to live with the fact that there is a stepper learning curve.

I think CiberTHuG made an intelligent summary of what I had in mind -

So if you have an urgent technical project do you go for the hatchback or the hot rod? Say you rush in to a lab and say - "we've got to solve this numerical modelling problem yesterday - its really urgent" do you feel better if your guys run to the NT workstations and fire up MatLab or pulls out a motherboard and says "I'm going to make a Linux Box today". They may have to be 'smarter' to do the latter but for time critical projects the former gets my money.

- and no - I don't think the Iraqis are stupid at all - far from it.

**parksie** · Mar 28th, 2001, 05:47 PM

This, of course, is why I'm still using Windows. Of course, I could always use Linux -- it's a great OS. However, I just don't have the time to spend learning how to use it, so I'm staying with what I have.

**CiberTHuG** · Mar 28th, 2001, 05:50 PM

What, you can't use MatLab under Linux?

Mmm... there is a product I used in university called Maple. I don' t know what MatLab can do, but I imagine Maple can do it, too. What about SAS? Goodknight was a stats prof, right? Don't they have some statics/math modeling software? If they do, I'm sure it runs under Unix/Linux.

If they run to the NT box, that's fine. But as soon as they are done with that, they should work on porting it over. When they finally get it there, they will be much more happy.

*rereads post*

Hey... don't insult hatchbacks by comparing them to NT.

My first car was a '78 Toyota Corolla LiftBack SR5.

And why does the lab have an NT box built but not an Linux box?

**Kzin** · Mar 28th, 2001, 06:15 PM

Originally posted by CiberTHuG
What, you can't use MatLab under Linux?

And why does the lab have an NT box built but not an Linux box?

Because you can probably get in your car - buy and NT box one in the local supermarket and have it running in you lab or home in less than thirty minutes. They are simply 'consumer' items now. And if you used a Toyota Corolla getting to the supermarket probably won't be a major challenge.

OK now visualize starting from scratch and driving around in say a Lotus 7 to buy the stuff to set up a Linux box

- The first half hour would probably be spent squatting over the hood squirting lighter fuel into the carbs to get it started . . .

**CiberTHuG** · Mar 28th, 2001, 06:24 PM

Yes, very few companies sell pre built Linux boxes.

IBM has some Linux Thinkpads.

Compaq sells some higher end systems with Linux. They also have <font size='90125'>AIX</font> Alphas. But that is a lot of firepower.

You can get Solaris on a Sparc. Expensive, though. Not as open.

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