XP's death...

[dee-u]

With the release of Vista, how many years do you think XP's gonna live?

[RudiVisser]

I'd say about 6!!! For obvious reasons, I mean, people still use 98 and ME..

[Hack]

A long time.....and it will be a while before Vista becomes the standard OS.

None of our clients across the country are planning on moving to Vista anytime soon. We have a copy inhouse for testing purposes, but none of the developers run it either.

[eSPiYa]

If the price of the hardwares needed to run WinVista fall down to 50%.

[RudiVisser]

Didn't know a 600Mhz processor and 512mb of ram was that much nowadays

[RhinoBull]

XP will be in-use for a very long time and that applies to home users and corps (mostly corps).
Licensing is enormously expensive so it’s going to drive lots of corporate clients away.
Plus incompatibility of existing apps with the new OS. XP is quite good so why would anyone like to spend millions to develop (or re-develop for that matter) existing application and also deploy very costly but pretty OS?
MS may report increase in Vista’s sales... However the way I see it - it could be mostly because of affordability for home users to buy new PC with Vista.
And frankly I’d rather have XP Pro than Vista Basic or even Home Premium (not sure if names are right). The Ultimate Edition cost $400 in the States – that’s outrages in my opinion.

I think SP is going to be arround for another solid 10 years. But time will tell...

[SeanK]

We aren't doing anything at all with Vista. We are an XP shop that there is no plans to change that any time in the future.

[RudiVisser]

We aren't doing anything at all with Vista. We are an XP shop that there is no plans to change that any time in the future.

Good luck on getting new customers

[RhinoBull]

Good luck on getting new customers

It isn't only about getting new customers, Rudi. Vast majority of companies develop applications for internal use only.
If you are a software house - that's a different story of course.

[RudiVisser]

I know, however he didn't explain that his company was either inhouse development or sales.

[si_the_geek]

Most people will only upgrade to Vista when they get it bundled with a new computer (which in most cases will take a while).. there aren't many new features that people need, or would be willing to pay a small fortune to get 'added' to their system.

The Ultimate Edition cost $400 in the States – that’s outrages in my opinion.

Not as outrageous as the typical US corporation currency conversion... over here the price seems to be about £370, which is about $730 !
Tho with a little hunting I found it for £327 ($643).

[Hack]

Good luck on getting new customers

My company is a commerical software shop and we are not moving to Vista either.

The reason for this is very simple....neither are any of our customers.

[RobDog888]

Vista is not expensive if you shop around. OEM versions are going for $105 for Ultimate full version at Costco but ithe OEM version is only officially licensed for new manufactured computer systems.

You can always get an upgrade version and validate with your XP CD to get a complete fresh install without havingto install XP first.

[si_the_geek]

Even with shopping around, the best price for Ultimate OEM over here is £109, which is $214

Bearing in mind that a PC to run it (without an OS) costs under £300, the price tag seems a little steep!

[RobDog888]

lol, you can get a system with Vista Home Premium on it for $500 or so over here

This is just going to take some time but I would guesstimate that it would be about 1-2 years before Vista becomes a substancial competitor to XP. XP's support is only 5 years so its out soon. XP came out in 2002 and usually MS gives 5 year lifecycles for their OS' at a max before releasing another one. Then extended support for another 3-5 I think it is. So XP still has some years left of its tires.

[Hack]

This is just going to take some time but I would guesstimate that it would be about 1-2 years before Vista becomes a substancial competitor to XP.

I totally agree with this. I think, at this point, most large companies take the "sit and wait" approach when any new OS get launched. They are "sitting" and "waiting" for the initial bugs to get worked out. After that, they a serious look at the product.

I remember when XP first came out.....there were not hoards of people ready to dump 98 for it. It took a couple of years before it really started to catch on, and another couple before it became a standard. Still, there were many "holders on" that wouldn't give up their '98.

The company I'm doing onsite work for didn't move from '98 to XP until 2005!

[RobDog888]

I just read an article yesterday that pointed out that Vista is more secure and has less bugs in it then XP did or any other previous OS release by MS. They were stating that MS is getting better at its OS rollouts.

[Hack]

They were stating that MS is getting better at its OS rollouts.

They have had enough practice. I would expect them to.

[RobDog888]

Just did an install yesterday on my dads new system (quad core cpu) and it installed very cleanly, picked up all periphials and drivers etc.

XP previously had issues with his card reader and widescreen lcd but vista had no problems with them.

Hes a happy camper with Vista.

[RhinoBull]

Vista is not expensive if you shop around. OEM versions are going for $105 for Ultimate full version at Costco but ithe OEM version is only officially licensed for new manufactured computer systems.

You can always get an upgrade version and validate with your XP CD to get a complete fresh install without havingto install XP first.

Correct me if I am wrong but you won't be able to activate your copy of Vista more than once if you have a single user license.
So if you have more multiple machines at home you are likely to buy multiple licenses.
I don't think this was enforced before the Vista. Who would want to spend that kind of money to get the darn AeroGlass???

[RobDog888]

So if you have more multiple machines at home you are likely to buy multiple licenses.
I don't think this was enforced before the Vista. Who would want to spend that kind of money to get the darn AeroGlass???

Just because single licenses of XP werent enfoced doesnt mean it was legal. You are and have always had to have a single license per machine unless you also have a laptop. Then in that case you can install the OS on the laptop as a secondary instance.

When XP came out is was expensive too but not as much as Vista. Inflation I guess lol. Still you can get XP Pro for the same price as Vista Upgrade.

[RhinoBull]

Just because single licenses of XP werent enfoced doesnt mean it was legal...

It's not just licenses though - when you activate your copy MS takes a snapshot of your computer hardware so next time you need to rebuild your machine you might not be able due to new components you might have.
Is that fare too? I personally don't think so.

[RobDog888]

Right, that is an issue when its your same system and you upgrade its hardware. Hopefully one day the activation system will improve as technology improves.

[RhinoBull]

Until then all legimate customers will suffer...

[RobDog888]

Dont all legit people suffer no matter what the deal is?

[shakti5385]

still for me I am using XP

[RhinoBull]

Dont all legit people suffer no matter what the deal is?

Ha, ha, ha... Yea, you're right.

[Andy_P]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6551429.stm

[RobDog888]

XP SP-1 ends mainstream support back in 10/10/2006.

XP SP-2 ends in 4/14/2009

But for paid extended support its still valid until 4/8/2014 but whos going to pay more? .
http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/?p1=3223

[RhinoBull]

But for paid extended support its still valid until 4/8/2014 but whos going to pay more? .

Some folks who still use P120 and Win95 don't understand why neither is supported or why memory upgrade cost more than the entire new system.
So I guess some of those may...

[Prosun]

I like how Windows 98 runs. It doesn't have all of the excess interface, so it runs way faster. It just sucks that it has no compatibility with any modern software or hardware. I wish Microsoft would make a simple, fast OS that was compatible with everything.

[RobDog888]

Search for and buy DOS 6.22

[RhinoBull]

My accountant's best dream is to get his DOS based apps back...

[dclamp]

i think the typewriter is the most safest computer. well, not unless you are carring it around and you drop it on your foot. :P

i think that xp will be around, like everyone said, for a long time.