[RESOLVED] Automatic Updates Win xp

[dark_shadow]

i have a computer that i got from a friend and when i try to update using automatic updates i get an error saying Network policy settings prevent you from using this website to get updates for your computer. i know its something on the computer itself as i can update other computers in the house i've talked to my friend i got the computer from and he doesn't know.anyone know how to enable this ?

[RobDog888]

It sounds like the system was previously on a domain that had a policy to prevent it as it probably was running some firewall program for the domain.

Check the local security policy.

[dark_shadow]

thx for the reply rob, you wouldnt happen to know where it would be in the LSP would you? i looked all around and couldnt find anything relating to it

[RobDog888]

If its not showing in the Security Options of the Local Security Policy then bring up Windows Firewall and see if there is a notice that the firewall is partially or fully controled by the LSP.

Is there a firewall client running in the systray? Is the system part of a domain or workgroup now? Its hard to locate since my systems are not controlled.

[dark_shadow]

its service pack 1 so there is no firewall

no there is no firewall client in the sys tray ( there is nothing running except for the things i installed) it is part of a workgroup atm

[RobDog888]

Could it be possible that you may have some firewall or access restriction on the router?

[dark_shadow]

that could be, is there a special port that auto updates uses? other than the http port?

[rory]

http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_a.htm

Also make sure the Auomatic Updates service is enabled.

Though for performance, I'd suggest installing them manually and disabling Auto Updates. Check out SoftwarePatch for manual downloads.

[litlewiki]

I don't see a point in automatic updates.I haven't updated my PC after SP2.Just a firewall and a good anti-virus.

[rory]

just a couple security updates really needed .. if that ..
Windows Media Player updates .. there is a hole it in somewhere even on SP2 ..
I really dont bother with them myself, even though i put all 63 updates into a self extractable installer .. only used it once ..

[dark_shadow]

thx for the site rory i normally use softwarepatch but i got lazy on this computer anyway im still having problems the "windows update" doesnt show in the windows component part of the GP? any ideas why?

[rory]

whats the GP?
You can just use IE though and select Tools, Windows Updates ..

BTW i have no windows update in my Local Security Policies also,
if thats what you mean? But I can still use Windows Update .. well not really as I disabled the service

[dark_shadow]

gp = group policy (gpedit.msc)
well i have all the services enabled
i dont need to update it
i just want to know how to fix this as it would be helpful to know

[rory]

where is it supposed to be in there .. so i can see if I even have it ..

also make sure Cryptographic Services are enabled in the Services list or you will get an error when trying to update as well ..

[dark_shadow]

User Configuration/Administrative Templates/Windows Components/Windows Update

im using xp pro btw

[rory]

ok yeah i have it ..
not configured though

Did this just happen? Is it your PC?
When creating a Pre install CD for Windows, you can choose not to install certain components at all, such as this.

[dark_shadow]

also make sure Cryptographic Services are enabled in the Services list or you will get an error when trying to update as well ..

made sure of that allready as well
do you think it could be a registry entry possibly?

[rory]

made sure of that allready as well
do you think it could be a registry entry possibly?

not sure .. make sure it was installed from a default XP CD and not a custom one.

[dark_shadow]

hmm im pretty sure it was a custom as his company uses a company image

[RobDog888]

With the amount of time spent, you could have reinstalled XP or at least did a Repair install. Do you have the XP CD?

[rory]

maybe they used something like NLite .. you can remove components for your custom build. But you cant add them back in after the fact, at least not the majority of them, such as AU.

[dark_shadow]

the custom one ? no i do have another xp cd which came with my other system i could use for the repair correct?
ill take another look around at the system later on today if i still dont fix it then the hell with it
i was only trying to fix this for my own knowledge anyway not much of a big deal

[dark_shadow]

maybe they used something like NLite .. you can remove components for your custom build. But you cant add them back in after the fact, at least not the majority of them, such as AU.

ill take a look into that thx

[RobDog888]

If you have no data on the system to save then make sure to do a complete format and clean new install.

[dark_shadow]

hmm alright well ill look into rory's post first thx for the help guys

[rory]

ill take a look into that thx

Yeah that messed me up a few times while making some "special" builds for DVRs ... the first time I did it i got XP down from 500 or so MB to just over 200MB .. but had all kinds of errors, nothing worked LOL .. Now i leave the components alone, as you cant put them back if you need them, but just tweak it such as turning off services etc .. and other tweaks I would do normally after it is installed, but they are now done before hand. But at least I can always turn a service back on ..

[rory]

hmm alright well ill look into rory's post first thx for the help guys

If thats what happened ... well you will still need to do what Yoda said .. reinstall. Thats if you still want to use Automatic Updates ..

[dark_shadow]

If thats what happened ... well you will still need to do what Yoda said .. reinstall. Thats if you still want to use Automatic Updates ..

once again Yoda's wisdom has prevailed

oh well atleast i know thats how to fix it if i ever come across it again

[rory]

once again Yoda's wisdom has prevailed

oh well atleast i know thats how to fix it if i ever come across it again

Also, though not related to AU, there is a file in the windows, inf folder, called Sysoc.inf .. some components can be added/removed that arent on the Add Remove Component list .. by removing "hide" from the corresponding line in that inf file.