Classic versus .NET

[brad jones]

It has been a long time in coming, but the moderators and I have decided it is time to move the Visual Basic .NET forum above the Classic Visual Basic forum in the primary forum list. .NET has now overtaken classic, so it seemed fitting that .NET take the higher spot on the site as well.

Brad!

[bushmobile]

i thought that switch around was going to occur when the .Net forum started getting more visitors than the Classic VB forum, which it certainly doesn't seem to...

[RobDog888]

The Admins have access to trends and other data. Some of which is the views in a forum.

I have seen it fluctuate but agree that .NET is now more dominant now, especially with the release of VB.NET 2005 Express which is free and being heavily used on VBF as compared to when .NET 2002/2003 were released primarily because they werent free.

Without change we can not grow. If we dont gow then we can never advance to the next level.

[TheBigB]

Not only Admins see the amount of views
At least to my knowledge I'm not an Admin

[kleinma]

Not only Admins see the amount of views
At least to my knowledge I'm not an Admin

He is talking about other stats, yes anyone can see how many people are viewing a given forum.

[RhinoBull]

I have seen it fluctuate but agree that .NET is now more dominant now...

I don't think it is "more dominant" yet - I first noticed more visitors in .Net as of yesterday - but I do agree with the change. It most certainly was necessary.

[kleinma]

"more dominant" is really relative to what you are comparing against.

More dominant in the professional software industry? maybe not yet, but certainly well on its way

More dominant in our (vbforums) user base as MS continues to give away free express versions of .NET? Absolutely.

[RhinoBull]

"More dominant" in terms of "number of current users" I guess, not in the industry - that would be long term and will take few more years.
And I don't see the "absolute" dominance. Eventually yes but not yet...

[RobDog888]

I would say it fluctuates throughout the day/night but the fact that .net has more viewers off and on throughout the day is evidence enough that it is definately going to become consistantly dominant in the near future.

It wasnt too long ago that .net was a low volumn forum but definately now its something to be recognised.

[szlamany]

And poor old "Database Development" is still below API's and games

[kleinma]

lol yeah I think database development should be right below "classic vb" databases are a huge part of windows and web programming, more so than something like games and API which make up a smaller portion of VB programming.

[bushmobile]

despite how symbolic the .Net/VB switcheroo might be, I reckon the whole front page needs a reshuffle (especially if you want to put the emphasis on .Net)

also, that Announcement is a bit pointless (and takes up space) - anyone who cares enough is surely going to look in this forum.

[kleinma]

the announcement is only temporary.

You would be surprised how many people don't look at the forum name, but just click on the location they are familiar with. I already had to move some posts from VB.NET to Classic VB because they were posted in the wrong forum after the switch.

[bushmobile]

You would be surprised how many people don't look at the forum name, but just click on the location they are familiar with. I already had to move some posts from VB.NET to Classic VB because they were posted in the wrong forum after the switch.

I wouldn't be surprised, I've already done it several times myself.

Would it not make sense to have the announcement on the very first page then somehow? So they see it before they get clicking.

[RobDog888]

The switch will also help reduce all the misplaced .net threads where a member thinks Classic VB is .NET/Express because its at the top and should be reserved for new/more popular languages.

I seem to remember when we had implemented the FAQ forum how everyone was thrown off by the positioning. They were used to clicking on the first link because it was where Classic VB was located lol.

[RhinoBull]

...Would it not make sense to have the announcement on the very first page then somehow? So they see it before they get clicking.

There are VBCODE and CODE tags buttons available on every reply/new thread page and you know the rest...

[RhinoBull]

And poor old "Database Development" is still below API's and games

I also believe that it's about time it gets its well deserved place right below VB forums.

[tommygrayson]

The Admins have access to trends and other data. Some of which is the views in a forum.

I have seen it fluctuate but agree that .NET is now more dominant now, especially with the release of VB.NET 2005 Express which is free and being heavily used on VBF as compared to when .NET 2002/2003 were released primarily because they werent free.

Without change we can not grow. If we dont gow then we can never advance to the next level.

Yes. That is true. But would it seem more logical that .NET has more viewers because there are 02/03, 2005, and 2005 Express users.

While in Classic Visual Basic only VB 6.0 users are viewing.

But if you categorized 02/03, 2005 and 2005 Express it will show that Classic Visual Basic is still the winner in my opinion.

[RobDog888]

.NET is .NET which is the viability of the framework and there are a heck of allot more 2005 users overall. The language is the same between versions just as it is for VB 1 - 6. So it wouldnt be logical to segragate them.

[tommygrayson]

.NET is .NET which is the viability of the framework and there are a heck of allot more 2005 users overall. The language is the same between versions just as it is for VB 1 - 6. So it wouldnt be logical to segragate them.

I don't know if you understand me correctly.

I know the difference between .COM and .NET mind you.

What I am saying is that the results of the viewers will be different if you categorized them further.

I didn't asked to create new forums based on their versions.

[RobDog888]

I dont think you got my post actually. It was meant to show how illogical it would be to count views by grouping all versions of VB 6 from 1-6 vs grouping .NET views by version. Apples to apples and oranges to oranges. VB.NET forum has more views then Classic VB. Thats all.

[tommygrayson]

Thats all.

Well if you say so.

[Merri]

Is it possible to put .NET and VB6 graphics into the description text? Just that graphics gain more attention than text.

[szlamany]

Well if you say so.

I gotta make a point here - since it's being so badly missed...

Classic is for all versions of VB up to VB6. It often sees posts about VB5 - I see them all the time.

.Net is for VB7 going forward.

So two forums are dedicated to VB - one for the pre-framework and one for the post-framework.

It would not make sense at all to take the .Net forum and break it down by VB7, VB8 and so on.

Just like it doesn't make sense to break down the Classic by VB6, VB5 and so on.

[Hack]

I gotta make a point here - since it's being so badly missed...

Classic is for all versions of VB up to VB6. It often sees posts about VB5 - I see them all the time.

.Net is for VB7 going forward.

So two forums are dedicated to VB - one for the pre-framework and one for the post-framework.

It would not make sense at all to take the .Net forum and break it down by VB7, VB8 and so on.

Just like it doesn't make sense to break down the Classic by VB6, VB5 and so on.

I agree.

And, I also agree with szlamany and kleinma that the database section should be moved up above Games and API.

[tommygrayson]

I gotta make a point here - since it's being so badly missed...

Classic is for all versions of VB up to VB6. It often sees posts about VB5 - I see them all the time.

.Net is for VB7 going forward.

So two forums are dedicated to VB - one for the pre-framework and one for the post-framework.

It would not make sense at all to take the .Net forum and break it down by VB7, VB8 and so on.

Just like it doesn't make sense to break down the Classic by VB6, VB5 and so on.

Ok guys, you win 3 against 1.



I wonder why there is another Visual Basic .NET in the forums? Can we not just remove it since Visual Basic .NET is in the top section?

[RobDog888]

Its just a redirected shortcut as in case members are only looking in the .NET category.

[tommygrayson]

Its just a redirected shortcut as in case members are only looking in the .NET category.

OK Thanks.

[Shaggy Hiker]

I would say it fluctuates throughout the day/night but the fact that .net has more viewers off and on throughout the day is evidence enough that it is definately going to become consistantly dominant in the near future.

It wasnt too long ago that .net was a low volumn forum but definately now its something to be recognised.

Yeah? How much of the fluctuation can be attributed to Australian time zones? If you can plot posts/hour, you may actually be able to see the time when JM logs on and answers ALL of the questions in the .NET forum.

[vuyiswamb]

wht is the different ht matters between vb.net and classic

[penagate]

wht is the different ht matters between vb.net and classic

You should get your keyboard fixed: it looks like it is missing a few keys.