What are the differences between XP Pro and Vista?

[randem]

What are the differences between XP Pro and Vista? I have heard hoopla but not from users...

[chris1990]

Just the interface i think and some extra features like time control on users.

[techgnome]

Well, for starters, Vista is a complete re-write from the ground up.... The interface is slick to say the least, and there's a number of new features.

-tg

[dark_shadow]

there is also alot of security enhancments

[randem]

Details Please...

[RobDog888]

New sercurity layer where programs can not gain access to the kernal.
UI improvements.
Graphics improvements (AeroGlass theming)
Drive encryption
Native IE 7 support
New Alt+Tab effects.
Protected areas from basic limited user accounds.
Gadgets

Etc.

See here for more info...
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/default.mspx

And here for 100 reasons to use it ...
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/pro...00reasons.mspx

[randem]

Ok, that's the MS marketing... What's the user's view?

What about speed, Crash protection, ability to run existing software without having to upgrade.

Ability of not having a errant program freeze your computer because it is eating up cpu cycles. Cpu limitations per application.

Things such as that?

[RhinoBull]

Ok, that's the MS marketing... What's the user's view?..

But for the truth sake Vista is only avalable for a few weeks to general public.
Corporate users don't even bother getting it except for few copies (testing purposes mostly).
So, what reviews do you expect, randem? It'll take some time until everybody gets familiar with it.
However, in my opinion moving to Vista will have the same effect like it was from Win3.1 to Win95 - it's a first major re-write release in a long time.

[randem]

Well, anyone who does serious work and uses Vista regularly will have something to say. Even if it's about porting applications, running older versions of MS products, databases, something...

[Atheist]

Actually from my experiences I must say that Vista boots much faster than XP.

[RhinoBull]

Well, anyone who does serious work and uses Vista regularly will have something to say. Even if it's about porting applications, running older versions of MS products, databases, something...

Well, people that do "serious work" as you say are every cautious about porting anything to Vista yet - most of us still remember what happend when Win95 came out...

[litlewiki]

Actually from my experiences I must say that Vista boots much faster than XP.

That's because your installation is pretty new .

[dclamp]

is there going to be a VB.NET version that is for vista only, like it has all the AeroGlass Theme?

[RobDog888]

No, AeroGlass theming is a feature of the framework and presentation.

[dclamp]

so it will automatically be added?

[RobDog888]

If the user has Vista and his video card supports DX 9.0+ then it can be turned on just like any other theme was back in Windows XP.

[Atheist]

That's because your installation is pretty new .

Yeah but my xp installation is almost as new, since its a brand new pc.

[rory]

Yeah but my xp installation is almost as new, since its a brand new pc.

If its a brand name XP PC, its probably loaded with other programs on start up.
A new installation of XP boots extremely fast, once there is nothing else added to the startup besides the required XP services (which the user doesn't see). Also, are both PC's the same exact specs?

[rory]

If the user has Vista and his video card supports DX 9.0+ then it can be turned on just like any other theme was back in Windows XP.

can you turn on classic start menu, classic shell, etc, to speed it up, or is it stuck with what it has?

[Atheist]

If its a brand name XP PC, its probably loaded with other programs on start up.
A new installation of XP boots extremely fast, once there is nothing else added to the startup besides the required XP services (which the user doesn't see). Also, are both PC's the same exact specs?

Its on the same pc

[rory]

Its on the same pc

What are the specs?
Also, was it a preloaded XP PC (eg programs on startup),
Are there the same programs on the Start up now in your Vista?

I havent tried Vista yet, just wondering how it could be so much faster booting while it is said to be so much slower in general. I do plan to get it actually, just havent had time yet .. only will be for development/testing right now also.

I just loaded up a new PC with XP and it only took a couple seconds to boot up .. nice and fast .. course no HP All in one printers, scanners, etc, on startup to slow it down though .. only 3 user programs actually on startup, AVG, MSN Live, and Tweakui.

[Atheist]

What are the specs?
Also, was it a preloaded XP PC (eg programs on startup),
Are there the same programs on the Start up now in your Vista?

I havent tried Vista yet, just wondering how it could be so much faster booting while it is said to be so much slower in general. I do plan to get it actually, just havent had time yet .. only will be for development/testing right now also.

I just loaded up a new PC with XP and it only took a couple seconds to boot up .. nice and fast .. course no HP All in one printers, scanners, etc, on startup to slow it down though .. only 3 user programs actually on startup, AVG, MSN Live, and Tweakui.

No it wasnt a preloaded XP PC. I bought the parts and built it myself.

The specs are:
Motherboard: MSI K9N Neo
cpu: AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800+ 2.0Ghz
ram: 1gb ddr2 667mhz
gfx: Sapphire Radeon Pro X1950 256mb

thats about it..yeah they basically have the same software running on them.
I think its the m$ haters spreading too much false rumors about Vista

[RobDog888]

I agree!

Vista is heavy on the graphics and animations but then again so was XP when it first came out. It takes a while for people to get new faster computers and then when they do they are like its not slow running XP. So in a couple of years we will no longer hear anything about Vista being slow.

Its completely superfast for me anyways, even with the AeroGlass theming on.
VS 2005 TS SP-1, VS 6.0 SP-6, Office Ultimate 2007 already installed and its still blazing!

[rory]

How about classic start menu availability on Vista?
With XP I never use the XP Start menu as its too slow. ..

PS. XP is a slow OS as it is by default, it requires tweaking. Course if you have Yoda's PC it really doesnt matter, you could run Nasa with that!
PSS. Ive been using the same PC (2ghz) from the ME days so i notice the diffs and hence had to learn how to tweak the heck out of XP ..
though even a newer 3.2 Celeron with DDR2 requires tweaking for XP ..
which is why i was asking about the those couple minor tweaks for vista ..

[RobDog888]

Just tried it out and tth Classic style for the start menu is just like it is for XP.

[rory]

No it wasnt a preloaded XP PC. I bought the parts and built it myself.

The specs are:
Motherboard: MSI K9N Neo
cpu: AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800+ 2.0Ghz
ram: 1gb ddr2 667mhz
gfx: Sapphire Radeon Pro X1950 256mb

thats about it..yeah they basically have the same software running on them.
I think its the m$ haters spreading too much false rumors about Vista

Xp should have been flying with that, its fast specs ...

[rory]

Just tried it out and tth Classic style for the start menu is just like it is for XP.

is it the classic start menu or the XP style menu?
tanks ..

[RobDog888]

Here, this is just for you rory.

[RobDog888]

And with AeroGlass theme.

[rory]

cool thanks .. so they are keeping some of the old stuff in .. he he he
dey gots my vbscript too

[rory]

can yah make it look nice and plain like this .. i likes it plain and to the point ..

[RobDog888]

I had to cut off my two other desktops as it was almost 3 MBs lol. Here is just my center desktop cut out and reduced in filesize/quality.

Mine looks better then yours

I didnt remove the wallpaper as I was too lazy lol.

[Siddharth Rout]

I had to cut off my two other desktops as it was almost 3 MBs lol. Here is just my center desktop cut out and reduced in filesize/quality.

Looks neat.

Even I have vista though I haven't installed it yet. I am kind of reluctant after hearing a rumor that it doesn't support vb6... Is that true?

[RobDog888]

That is false as it was true in the beginning stages of its development. Then they changed their minds and added support for the core runtime files. The VB 6 IDE does have a few minor issues but not really too bad.

There are some controls/dlls that are not tested and declared as supported but may work still. Anything from a third party (controls and dlss etc) wil probably not work as they havent produced Vista compatibilty in their stuff yet.

[rory]

I had to cut off my two other desktops as it was almost 3 MBs lol.

is the taskbar set fixed that big or can you adjust to a normal size like you can in XP?

[Siddharth Rout]

The VB 6 IDE does have a few minor issues but not really too bad.

What kind of minor issues?

[RobDog888]

Its the same as it was in XP. I just like it to show the start button completely as the circle is too large when its only single height.

These are all minor neuances of Vista. Any questions on the mentioned real differences?

[rory]

The VB 6 IDE does have a few minor issues but not really too bad.

Once it works ..

[rory]

Its the same as it was in XP. I just like it to show the start button completely as the circle is too large when its only single height.

These are all minor neuances of Vista. Any questions on the mentioned real differences?

I have tons but best i wait to get it as i want to delve into every aspect of it .. primarily for speed also .. I sold the parts for the PC i was going to build for it so now i have to order some more .. anyway this way i can order some faster stuff anyway .. not as fast as yours though :-) And also order the OEM version one time ..

There is no registry right? If so, where are settings like shell, explorer, visual, etc, kept?

[RobDog888]

It does work and you only need to install it under an Admin account and run it as Administrator.

The doublebuffering issues in the IDE for the form designer is probably the biggest issue. There is a latency problem but is livable.