Oh, Dad, they hate us

[Atheist]

Most prosperous? I frankly dont know.

[rory]

You respond like those point was nothing at all, "a few rapes/murders/tortures here and there, thats soon forgotten when we reached our goal"...I cant say that I think that is a fair way of thinking. And if you have already sat that individual people suck, why aint I smart for thinking the first video clip (well..the second one too) is for real? Just because I havent worked with video production since 1980? Or is it because I say negavite things about what is considered the world best country (only by americans though)?

is Sweden crime free?

[Atheist]

is Sweden crime free?

My point...which I obviously didnt make clear enough, was that after all these things happening around the US military, do you guys really think that it is strange that people belive in these videos (including me)? And when they do, are they not smart? (see Ive been refering to the 'smart' bit all the time, since I really dont like being told that I am stupid, or that I lack a brain, because of what I think).

And by the way. No, Sweden is not crime free, but I can garantuee you that we are not in Iraq raping and killing innocent little girls (nor have we freed a people from a dictator, I'll give you that), but also the Swedish goverment is not hunting innocent individuals and torturing them without them having a trial.

[Shaggy Hiker]

Question for you though - what country do you feel is the most prosperous - produces the most intellgent property - creates the most of whatever you think a country might be judged by (medicines? technology?).

Per capita, or overall?

What yardstick? Well..you do say that we can choose.....so.....well, it's still a tough question. Per capita, depending on which yardstick I choose, I think I would have to say: Korea, Japan, Canada, the US, Iceland.....ummm....well, that's probably it....depends on the yardstick, though.

[szlamany]

@shaggy - you are in Idaho...

I wasn't asking you

[rory]

My point...which I obviously didnt make clear enough, was that after all these things happening around the US military, do you guys really think that it is strange that people belive in these videos (including me)? And when they do, are they not smart? (see Ive been refering to the 'smart' bit all the time, since I really dont like being told that I am stupid, or that I lack a brain, because of what I think).

And by the way. No, Sweden is not crime free, but I can garantuee you that we are not in Iraq raping and killing innocent little girls (nor have we freed a people from a dictator, I'll give you that), but also the Swedish goverment is not hunting innocent individuals and torturing them without them having a trial.

How many of these incidents have occurred, comparred to the amount of crimes from terrorists against the iraqi people and the US forces, Candaian forces, UK forces, etc etc etc .. Just cause Sweden isnt there doesnt mean a whole lot. The Bahamas isnt there either, thats because well we dont have any army worth mentioning, seems the same way with Sweden. Go visit ogrish and you will see that these couple little pathetic videos you guys are posting here are a joke compared to everything else. Come on, in prison here they will drink their own bath water, use 1 slop bucket per 10 prisoners to 1 cell, slop bucket is removed every few days, eat cold cheeseburgers and drink cold sweet tea .. get raped and beaten. .. come out with a 90% chance of aids ... and it doesnt matter what race or religion they are.

that so called torture YOU talk of is a joke.
No Pun intended, just keeping it real ..

[szlamany]

@rory - thanks - that's been my whole point...

At any rate - bashing the US and the soldiers in Iraq based on either of those videos just made me sick.

@atheist - and I never meant to call anyone stupid.

[rory]

@rory - thanks - that's been my whole point...

I for one am Glad the US, Brits, Canadians, etc, are there to help us smaller countries .. regardless of politics its the people themselves that are giving their lives and limbs in many cases, and there are bad apples in every society. Many people dont understand that America is not a country of Bush like people, its made up of people from just about every country in the world, all kinds of different societies, religions, races, etc, and the same goes for the US Forces. If someone rapes or kills someone in the US, they dont go and strap a bomb to themselves or plant a road side bomb killing other people for that other persons crime. The law deals with that person.

Anyways .. i said my 2 cents ..
Keep up the good work USA!

[Atheist]

How many of these incidents have occurred, comparred to the amount of crimes from terrorists against the iraqi people and the US forces, Candaian forces, UK forces, etc etc etc .. Just cause Sweden isnt there doesnt mean a whole lot. The Bahamas isnt there either, thats because well we dont have any army worth mentioning, seems the same way with Sweden. Go visit ogrish and you will see that these couple little pathetic videos you guys are posting here are a joke compared to everything else. Come on, in prison here they will drink their own bath water, use 1 slop bucket per 10 prisoners to 1 cell, slop bucket is removed every few days, eat cold cheeseburgers and drink cold sweet tea .. get raped and beaten. .. come out with a 90% chance of aids ... and it doesnt matter what race or religion they are.

that so called torture YOU talk of is a joke.

You cant be serious man! Innocent people are jailed in a very dictature-ish kind of way by a democratic nation...and tortured. And you say its alright because there are worse jails??

One torture method they are using is isolating the prisoners under a very long time exposing them to different things such as high noises, intense light, or extreme temperature.
But it doesnt matter WHAT the torture is, there should be NO torture in ANY country. And the US torturing anyone is no better than any dictator torturing anyone.

Question for you Rory, would you be happy being in the guantanamo base?

[rory]

Question for you Rory, would you be happy being in the guantanamo base?

I wouldnt want to be in ANY prison, and since I have not committed any crime I will not.

However it would be like a Hotel compared to the prison here.

[rory]

Innocent people are jailed in a very dictature-ish kind of way by a democratic nation...and tortured. And you say its alright because there are worse jails???

I just said it is a joke compared to real prisons.
Especially when most of what they want to call torture is not being able to eat certain food and read some book.

[Atheist]

I just said it is a joke compared to real prisons.
Especially when most of what they want to call torture is not being able to eat certain food and read some book.

I wouldnt want to be in ANY prison, and since I have not committed any crime I will not.

However it would be like a Hotel compared to the prison here.

Why wouldnt you want to be there? It seemed like such a push-over didnt it? A real piece of cake? Compared to what youve got over there?

So what you are saying is that the innocent men in guantanamo should be happy to be there? Because they couldve gotten worse off? I am just now reading an article about an ex-prisoner of guantanamo, I'll list what they did to him and you tell me if its fair.

- He was forced to stand on his knees on rock-solid concrete floor for several hours straight.
- The guards beat him regularly
- His beard was "plucked" off 1 "piece of hair" at a time
- Didnt get to was for 100 days and was, as he said, covered in fleas.
- The guards stomped his legs and crushed his knee
- He was interrogated nude.
- His one hand was always chained to the wall, making it incredibly hard to sleep or go to the toilet.
- Rock music was played out loud when he tried to sleep.

I dont see how you can say that it is no big deal? Most of those men probably have not commited a crime either. They too have families at home.


Anyways..this debate seems to be going nowhere..

[rory]

Why wouldnt you want to be there? It seemed like such a push-over didnt it? A real piece of cake? Compared to what youve got over there?

So what you are saying is that the innocent men in guantanamo should be happy to be there? Because they couldve gotten worse off? I am just now reading an article about an ex-prisoner of guantanamo, I'll list what they did to him and you tell me if its fair.

- He was forced to stand on his knees on rock-solid concrete floor for several hours straight.
- The guards beat him regularly
- His beard was "plucked" off 1 "piece of hair" at a time
- Didnt get to was for 100 days and was, as he said, covered in fleas.
- The guards stomped his legs and crushed his knee
- He was interrogated nude.
- His one hand was always chained to the wall, making it incredibly hard to sleep or go to the toilet.
- Rock music was played out loud when he tried to sleep.

I dont see how you can say that it is no big deal? Most of those men probably have not commited a crime either. They too have families at home.


Anyways..this debate seems to be going nowhere..

and you believe everything nutcases tell you? LOL
The Easter Bunny is real too BTW .. oh yeah i have a bridge for sale here .. its made of gold .. price is negotiable, payment by paypal only.

[Atheist]

and you believe everything nutcases tell you? LOL
The Easter Bunny is real too BTW .. oh yeah i have a bridge for sale here .. its made of gold .. price is negotiable, payment by paypal only.

Well I see from that reply that you are not mature enough to be discussing serious things. And that you have no respect for human life and the well-being of innocent people. I hope you have a good day for I am ending this discussion with you.

[rory]

Well I see from that reply that you are not mature enough to be discussing serious things. And that you have no respect for human life and the well-being of innocent people. I hope you have a good day for I am ending this discussion with you.

LOL .. whatever.

[System_Error]

and you believe everything nutcases tell you? LOL
The Easter Bunny is real too BTW .. oh yeah i have a bridge for sale here .. its made of gold .. price is negotiable, payment by paypal only.

Well I see from that reply that you are not mature enough to be discussing serious things.

After reading your posts it seems you are too ignorant to discuss serious things.

[Atheist]

After reading your posts it seems you are too ignorant to discuss serious things.

Tell me, how am I ignorant?

[grilkip]

This is how the Jackson Five broke up.

[Shaggy Hiker]

This is how the Jackson Five broke up.

Yeah, this would probably break up the Jackson Five.

Getting into name calling with Rory is a waste of time. Nobody gets in the gutter deeper and faster on that road.

What's annoying about that post was that you are saying effectively "My argument is correct, and everybody who says otherwise is a lying nutcase."

That's not just borderline delusional, that's the full-blown, wearing-boot-on-head thing.

Question for you though, Rory: You are more ardently nationalistic than any American I have ever met (and I've met some ardent American nationalists), so why aren't you American? If the Bahamas sucks as bad as you say it does, why are you staying there?

[rory]

Yeah, this would probably break up the Jackson Five.

Getting into name calling with Rory is a waste of time. Nobody gets in the gutter deeper and faster on that road.

What's annoying about that post was that you are saying effectively "My argument is correct, and everybody who says otherwise is a lying nutcase."

That's not just borderline delusional, that's the full-blown, wearing-boot-on-head thing.

Question for you though, Rory: You are more ardently nationalistic than any American I have ever met (and I've met some ardent American nationalists), so why aren't you American? If the Bahamas sucks as bad as you say it does, why are you staying there?

you just like picking a fight is all, and this post is so funny it doesn't deserve a response.