I don't think anyone is saying that they think Iraq is a better place to live than the UK/US (I mean, if I went to live in Iraq I'd probably be picked up by US forces and tortured as a "insurgent"..... wouldn't I? Let's face it, I'd match their strict "criteria" for extraordinary rendition etc.).

It is kinda strange that a number of people in this thread who believe that disagreeing with their government means they should leave the country.... that's not what democracy is about.

But on the other hand, I also disagree that the people who voted Bush into power can be held responsible for torture etc. I would hate to live in such a simple world where everything was black and white and guilt by association was sufficient evidence. If I employ a man to be my bodyguard, and that guy goes out and murders someone. I am not guilty of murder. I don't think that you can call 50% of Americans torturers because they voted for Bush. That is not a fair representation of the many decent people down there.

Well, now that I've disagreed with almost every single person in this thread....