Hate Netscape?

**Piz Bruin** · Mar 8th, 2001, 07:47 AM

I'm sure someone has done a "browser preference" poll of some kind, but this one has a twist.

Vote how much you HATE Netscape here!

Mar 8th, 2001, 08:37 AM

Wel i dont hate it that much. It's because of M$.

**Cander** · Mar 8th, 2001, 11:32 AM

Netscape sucks a big one!! I am soo tired of scaling back my code for Netscape.

**compuGEEK** · Mar 8th, 2001, 11:32 AM

Netscape, I mean Nutscrape is a big dissapointment. I guess making sure their users have AOL Instant Messenger and skins for their browser is more important than complying with the W3C standards.

IE truly is the best browser out there.

**Cander** · Mar 8th, 2001, 11:41 AM

Does nutscrape even support HTML 4 yet?

**compuGEEK** · Mar 8th, 2001, 11:46 AM

Yeah, no kidding. It gets tiresome having to code around it. Not to mention that it's slow, too.

**Cander** · Mar 8th, 2001, 11:52 AM

It has been a real pain beause I have to use asp to transform XML with XSL using up alot of sever side resources I could avoid if netscape would get friggin XML support. And unfortunatly I have to be cross browser capable for the site. What a crock!!!

**Piz Bruin** · Mar 8th, 2001, 02:36 PM

I couldn't agree with you guys more.

I am consistently trying to write code that Nutscrape will be happy with. Forget CSS, IFrames, even simple JavaScript commands like "window.navigate".

And now that Nutscrape is at it's all time low, I refuse to code cross-browser apps. I browser detect and NN users get a separate scaled back version. Why should IE users have to miss out on app features because of Nutscrape?

Speaking of browser detection, anyone else notce Nutscrape v.6 reports itself as version 5? They can't even get that right....

What it is guys, is that all of this extra coding we do for Nutscrape comaptibility, is really just adding features to the browser that it should already have.

It's just one constant workaround.....

**alexmac** · Mar 8th, 2001, 04:55 PM

Netscapes I complete pain in the butt. Its quite chunky and resource hungry it also seems to crash alot. Tables and forms display badly sometimes. IE is so much better.

Alex

**JMik** · Mar 8th, 2001, 09:28 PM

Hey guys,

Its completely incompetent support of HTML 4 and CSS aside, just installing it is an exercise in frustration. My installation over the weekend resulted in 5 new desktop icons, 3 new quicklaunch icons and 4 new programs in the system tray! Yikes!

Well, what can you expect when the company's website is a portal??

JMik

Mar 9th, 2001, 06:03 AM

The only redeeming feature of Netscape is that it isn't produced by Micro$oft...

oh...wait a minute...something doesn't feel quite right about that statement...

*thud*
*arrgghh!*

[silence]....

**Cander** · Mar 9th, 2001, 09:38 AM

I just hope that in the next couple years everyone recognizes the XHTML standard so we can have faster and smaller browsers. Ans then we can throw out all the crap web sites that dont follow standards becuase they will never load anyway..

For anyone that doesnt know, the reason browsers are so big and slow is because they have to do alot of guess work becuase no one follows procedure for HTML. In other words they are not well formed pages. And this takes alot of power to do it. Like closing tags at the appropriate place and using the same case when opening anc closing. You may not realize it but this,

<body>
</BODY>

actually uses alot of porcessing power to figure out!

Would be faster if it didnt have to do any checks and conversion of that if it only accepted..

<body>
</body>

or any other case way s long as you use the same case opening and closing the tags..

Just some interesting info for ya guys.

**Piz Bruin** · Mar 9th, 2001, 09:44 AM

Again, I agree.

Here is a great link:

http://validator.w3.org/

or any of the other resources at www.w3.org

**Piz Bruin** · Mar 9th, 2001, 02:32 PM

Originally posted by Mark Sreeves
OK, there is ONE thing that I like, and that is being able to have NS3, NS4, and NS6 on one pc all at the same time - not possible with IE

Isn't it a sad state when we need to have an archive of versions just to get some develpoment done, or do we need all of those to surf the web? ;-)

**Cander** · Mar 9th, 2001, 02:41 PM

Very sad indeed! I curse netscape and their attempt at destroying MS just becuase IE became more popular. Long live MS and IE!!

**parksie** · Mar 9th, 2001, 03:02 PM

Netscape was good, and is still a lot faster than Internet Explorer...however it's fallen WAY behind with standards...what we need is NS6-Lite...the Gecko/Raptor engine, but none of the crap involved with skinning, which is useless anyway!

Mar 9th, 2001, 07:05 PM

Thinking about all of the time I have spent pissin round with my web apps just because netscape refuses to close it's doors and accept defeat makes me want to vomit.

**Piz Bruin** · Mar 12th, 2001, 06:59 AM

Originally posted by parksie
Netscape was good, and is still a lot faster than Internet Explorer...however it's fallen WAY behind with standards...what we need is NS6-Lite...the Gecko/Raptor engine, but none of the crap involved with skinning, which is useless anyway!

You think Netscape is faster than IE ?!?!?!??????

Netscape is SLOOOOOW !! I have to use Netscape to do cross browser testing, and IE blows it away every time......

Mar 12th, 2001, 07:04 AM

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netscape can kiss my bum!

**Mark Sreeves** · Mar 12th, 2001, 07:06 AM

I the morning I use IE5
by about midday IE5 won't load up vb-world any more (it just times-out) so I then switch to NS6 and it loads vb-world fine!

Mar 12th, 2001, 07:12 AM

I dont tend to think about using anything but IE. The only time Netscape crosses my mind is when I realise I have to test a site through it. And then the feeling of dread sets in...

**Active** · Mar 12th, 2001, 07:18 AM

And then Think About CrossBrowser DHTML !
Wish I had 10 brains to think in both their slang !

**parksie** · Mar 12th, 2001, 01:14 PM

Originally posted by Piz Bruin

You think Netscape is faster than IE ?!?!?!??????

Netscape is SLOOOOOW !! I have to use Netscape to do cross browser testing, and IE blows it away every time......

I hijacked the NS6 browser engine into my own framework and it loads in about 2 seconds, and displays everything much faster than IE.

**Brandito** · Mar 13th, 2001, 11:53 PM

The only reason I even do those bull $**t browser detects and poorly attempt to code for Netscape is the fact that it is the only real browser for Linux.

If it wasn't for Linux, Netscape would be put out of buisness and slapped with a ***** stick!

Brandon

**dimava** · Mar 14th, 2001, 12:30 AM

Have you guys tried Opera Web browser? (www.opera.com) its proven the fastest browser in the world. Its just not complient with all the scripts, and stuff. (Flash movies take forever to load) but other then that... the downloads are very fast. You should give it a try

and like always, if you need a serial, you know who to ask.

Dimava

**chrismitchell** · Mar 14th, 2001, 03:20 AM

Personally I think that Netscape is better than IE .... I agree that Netscape is an Arse to have to program for but it is ultimately a better browser than IE because it was (I also agree that it has gone down hill recently) a much more user friendly browser. Also because of everyone's hatred of M$ the only other choice would seem to be Netscape... Or writing your own.

**Mark Sreeves** · Mar 14th, 2001, 06:29 AM

I've downloaded Opera earlier today and it certainly seems pretty good!

Mar 14th, 2001, 06:36 AM

Some versions of Opera stuggle with DHTML/layers. The Macromedia site doesnt display properly.

**chrismitchell** · Mar 14th, 2001, 07:07 AM

I also have had problems with the Opera Browser. It hates working on Mac's... But you could say "what does?". As for the Macromedia site, I emailed a friend on the inside to ask why this was happening he says that they have configured it for IE and Netscape.... It wasn't configured for the other browsers such as Opera.

**dimava** · Mar 14th, 2001, 12:24 PM

look at the help section in opera... it says how to install the flash plugin

**sail3005** · Mar 14th, 2001, 05:52 PM

yeah, opera definatly deserves more credit than is given to it.

**gwdash** · Mar 15th, 2001, 04:21 PM

My school is one of the last to use Netscape. we are stuck on NS4. When you resize a page w/ layers in it, NS gets the page all screwed up and has to be refreshed(stupid javascript addin on all pages that support NS4). I hate Netscape. it screws up tables too.

It also dosen't like layers at all.

Luckely, we are switching to IE next Year. yippee

**Zigmar** · Mar 15th, 2001, 07:36 PM

New netscape version are so good (as it looks from a first sight, at least) but using IE?!?!? It's the M$ ******** ****! I just don't want to use IE because of M$.

But the perfect option is seems to be the Opera - it's my primary browser now. By the way, if some pages aren't displayed exactly as the do in IE - it's because of M$ - Opera just exactly following standart , but the M$ - creating standarts of it's own!

**sail3005** · Mar 15th, 2001, 09:22 PM

Yeah, these days, any browsers not supporting the standards is unacceptable. It makes it 1000 times harder for the designer.

**Piz Bruin** · Mar 16th, 2001, 09:52 AM

Yeah, I know some of you have a problem with M$, for whatever reason. But just remember,

Nothing integrates with a Microsoft product like another Microsoft product.

**Sastraxi** · Mar 18th, 2001, 10:37 AM

Let's face it... MS has a monopoly. You can't make programs that are perfectly compatible, so people wont use them in place of an MS product. The alternatives to windows are LINUX (good mascot! but nobody produces apps for them) and MAC-OS (ack, need i say more).

So we're stuck with Microsoft. What can we do with it? Download MS things and hope they dont yell at us? We must take a stand everybody, or download Linux and develop appz for that...

Although linux doesnt have VB...

Just my 0.02 CANADIAN dollars.

**Cander** · Mar 19th, 2001, 09:56 AM

Sorry Zigmar ,but you are so wrong and so oviously brainwashed, it isnt even funny. Lets see how many standards you can list that NS and Opera supports more of than MS. You wont be able to do it. MS has 2 non standard things in IE and thats JScript and VBScript. NS has more... DHTML, HTML4(This alone shows they are crap), CSS, and god knkows what else. But I admit I cant say anything about Opera since It is pointless for me to use it since IE is all I will ever need. But im pretty sure it doesnt support all the standards that IE does.

And next time dont speak until your are educated enough to know what you are talking about.

Oh and if you really want to know why web pages are so un standard these days, it is actually because of Netscape. Again another fact you are incorrect on. Netscape was the first to add slack HTML code 'guessing' in it.

**chrismitchell** · Mar 19th, 2001, 10:04 AM

I would just like to know what the point is at getting angry about the whole Nescape, Microsoft, Opera problem... All the above companies want to make money so they all make inferior products so that normal people are forced to pay out more money.

There is no real point in arguing it between each other it should be taken to the source of your anger! Namely the companies themselves.... If there is enough pressure then sooner or later they will break!

**Cander** · Mar 19th, 2001, 10:31 AM

The only thing I ever argue and get pissy on is when the MS bashers come out and bash everything that MS does with absolutly no knowledge of what they are talkng about.

Mar 19th, 2001, 10:45 AM

Most people I know that are bitter against Microsoft (myself included) is because they have monopolised the PC market from the ground up. In a way its good though because that way everything is at least some way compatible.

I'm just jealous because Bill Gates earns more money for doing nothing than I ever will for working in my entire life.

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