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    Re: help! polar integrals

    I would need the working to check it throughly but the bits I remember are right. Unfortunately there are lots I don't

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    ok, well its part (b) which is causing me the most pain, hang on i'll just post my working....

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    This is a different answer to what you originally posted but the working looks fine to me but you would be better off making sure someone with more recent experience check it too. Check your private messages (PMs) I'll send you one in a sec to give you someone to ask

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    ok, thanks

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    Re: help! polar integrals

    These are all definitely correct

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    Re: help! polar integrals

    Correct, and you did it the intuitive way..

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    Re: help! polar integrals

    i am sort of confident about (a) & (c), but for (b) can i really make the radius go 'through' 0? (i.e. can radius have a negative value?)

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    Re: help! polar integrals

    Would it look nicer as 2*Integral[0 -> 1/cos(theta)dr](f(r)r)?

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    For part b I think the result is the sum of 2 integrals, as you must integrate over two symmetric but separate regions. I believe the limits for r are from 1/cos(theta) to infinite (and are the same for each integral) and the limits for theta should be -Pi/4 to Pi/4 for one integral and 3Pi/4 to 5Pi/4 for the other.

    However, because of the symmetry, both integrals give the same result, so you can just write the answer as 2 times either of them.

    2 * Integral (from Theta=-Pi/4 to Pi/4), (from r=1/cos(theta) to infinite)
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    Re: help! polar integrals

    If I'm not mistaken, this is the integration region for part b.
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    Re: help! polar integrals

    Quote Originally Posted by krtxmrtz
    If I'm not mistaken, this is the integration region for part b.

    i think its meant to be a polar plot??

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    Quote Originally Posted by sarahisme
    i think its meant to be a polar plot??
    This is just a plot showing the integration region. This region "exists" independently of the way you plot it. In fact, using rectangular, polar, elliptic or any other type of coordinates are just procedures for plotting (describe) it.
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    Re: help! polar integrals

    is it the shaded region that is to be integrated over or excluded? (i thought excluded...)

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    Re: help! polar integrals

    Quote Originally Posted by sarahisme
    is it the shaded region that is to be integrated over or excluded? (i thought excluded...)
    I've just realized that's |x|<=1 and I had assumed the other way round, ">=" (sheer absent-mindedness, actually). So definitely the region to integrate over is that constituted by the 4 triangles in between the 2 shaded regions.

    The limits for theta are ok but r goes from 0 to 1/cos(theta). The argument about integrating for theta only from -Pi/4 to +Pi/4 and multiplying the result by 2 is still valid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by krtxmrtz
    I've just realized that's |x|<=1 and I had assumed the other way round, ">=" (sheer absent-mindedness, actually). So definitely the region to integrate over is that constituted by the 4 triangles in between the 2 shaded regions.

    The limits for theta are ok but r goes from 0 to 1/cos(theta). The argument about integrating for theta only from -Pi/4 to +Pi/4 and multiplying the result by 2 is still valid.

    Sorry if I've been leading you astray for awhile.
    thats fine i think i have got it now, thanks for all your help

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